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    Default New (to me anyway) idea on framing cutouts faster

    Pick your medium of choice, (TB, frame) hot melt glue 2-3 bamboo skewers down each side, u now have a u when inverted , slide comb between skewers against TB/Frame, pull free ends of skewers together to grab comb and secure with twist tie, once fully attached by B's the skewers are easily removed. Will report results.
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    Default Re: New (to me anyway) idea on framing cutouts faster

    I am not sure I understand what you are saying.

    Are you suggesting the use of glued on wooden pieces instead of elastic bands or string to attach comb to a frame? Wouldn't you need to remove the bottom bar?

    What do you see as the advantage of this method?
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    Default Re: New (to me anyway) idea on framing cutouts faster

    I love my hinge frames. Cut comb put in frame close put in box
    David

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    Default Re: New (to me anyway) idea on framing cutouts faster

    Does the brood have to be mounted in a frame? I was thinking you could just have a box with spokes coming out of the bottom board and stand the comb between the spokes. If this box is on the bottom and another box with empty frames in it on top you could wait three weeks or less and all the brood would be out. Then replace it with another box of empty frames. Crush and strain any honey in the original comb or let them rob it out.
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    Default Re: New (to me anyway) idea on framing cutouts faster

    Quote Originally Posted by Acebird View Post
    Does the brood have to be mounted in a frame? I was thinking you could just have a box with spokes coming out of the bottom board and stand the comb between the spokes. If this box is on the bottom and another box with empty frames in it on top you could wait three weeks or less and all the brood would be out. Then replace it with another box of empty frames. Crush and strain any honey in the original comb or let them rob it out.

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    Default Re: New (to me anyway) idea on framing cutouts faster

    I guess that your suggestion would work Ace, but it seem to me that it would be simpler to just secure the comb in a frame, place it in a hive and be done with it.

    What advantage is there in doing it the way that you have suggested?
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    Default Re: New (to me anyway) idea on framing cutouts faster

    I'll make one up with old comb and post a pic
    Dave, I did'nt see your hinge frame but think I know what you've got , Yes even better but harder to construct

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    Default Re: New (to me anyway) idea on framing cutouts faster

    Quote Originally Posted by ralittlefield View Post
    What advantage is there in doing it the way that you have suggested?
    1 I think it would be quicker and less of a mess at the time of the cut out. (don't know)
    2. Not knowing the age of the natural comb and what it has been exposed to I would want it out of my hive as soon as possible. Personal preference.
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    Default Re: New (to me anyway) idea on framing cutouts faster

    Ace, concur on both points but more trouble for B's to start from scratch overhead, heat brood below both

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    Default Re: New (to me anyway) idea on framing cutouts faster

    Quote Originally Posted by Acebird View Post
    1 I think it would be quicker and less of a mess at the time of the cut out. (don't know)
    2. Not knowing the age of the natural comb and what it has been exposed to I would want it out of my hive as soon as possible. Personal preference.
    IMHO
    1. Make the mess only 1 time and bee none
    2. Not knowing the age of the natural comb I would rotate it out
    3.I do not know what the bees are being exposed to (2 Mi.) around the hives at home or in a tree,or etc.




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    Thumbs Up Best way to speed things is to have more hands ;)

    Its hard to beat mounting the honeycomb in a frame from your equipment and securing it with a rubber band or wire.....Its messy and temporary, but it serves the purpose to anchor the bees to their brood in your hive. You can cut out the wild comb at a later time.


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    These combs are mounted up-side-down in the frames, I mount them right side up when I'm working by myself. Many use rubber bands. The advantage of the wire is that you can have a better approximation of the center of the frame by bending the wire to hold the comb toward the center of the frame. Rubber bands don't do that. Less interference between frames is safer for the bees when you remove the frames to inspect later -comb interference kills bees, sometimes the queen.
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    This colony was 25' up in a pecan tree. The homeowner noticed comb on the grass, looked up, and this is what she saw. Note the queen cells, the queen was lost on the fallen combs.

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    Default Re: New (to me anyway) idea on framing cutouts faster

    Quote Originally Posted by ralittlefield View Post
    I guess that your suggestion would work Ace, but it seem to me that it would be simpler to just secure the comb in a frame, place it in a hive and be done with it.

    What advantage is there in doing it the way that you have suggested?
    What I like about Ace's idea is that you quickly get comb into the box without knocking bees off when framing them. I've tried a couple ways. One, rubberbands slid over whole frame, and scattering too many bees. Then I tried small nails on frames top and bottom bar and VW rubber bands ahead of time on one side, put in comb and VW rubberbands to secure. I still scatter too many bees but it works better than the first way I did it. My last removal I somehow lost or killed the queen and I've been thinking about how to just put comb in the box no frames, get them home and settled in and then deal with it. It's not the first time I lost a queen in a cut out.

    Odfrank, do you have problems with comb squishing or tipping over onto bees? (post #29)
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    Default Re: New (to me anyway) idea on framing cutouts faster

    Wow, Olly, I never thought of using the netting for that. I have searched for quick effective ways to fix comb from cutouts into frames, but that's a slick idea. I'll hafta try it.

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    Default Re: New (to me anyway) idea on framing cutouts faster

    The frames I was referring to was from here http://www.beesource.com/build-it-yo...tching-frames/
    David

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    Default Re: New (to me anyway) idea on framing cutouts faster

    Thanks for the reference David.
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    Default Re: New (to me anyway) idea on framing cutouts faster

    Rubber bands work pretty well for me and the best part is that by the time the bees have re-attached the comb to the frames most of the rubber bands have broken and there's very few to remove. The one thing that works great for speeding things up is a helper who can trim and rubber band the comb into place while you're doing the cut out.
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