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    Default early spring queens and splitting

    Is there a source for queens in April where I can just order them at a moments notice and have them quickly? I plan to do alot of splitting, hopefully in April sometime if the colonies are built up enough, but I don't know exactly how many queens I will need until then, depending on how many come through the winter. I know now is the time to order queens for spring delivery. Should I order them now and get more than I think I will need, and just modify the order at the last minute if I don't need so many, or are there suppliers where you can get them in spring without advance ordering? John

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    Default Re: early spring queens and splitting

    In the spring everybody can use queens. Depending on weather, they may or may not be available. The queen producers in Hawaii may have the kind of availability you seek as they do not have the weather constraints the mainland has. I ordered queens from my choice of breeder a couple weeks ago for mid April and He is probably booked into May now. I have ordered the minimum of what I think I will need. I think that is what you need to do.

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    Default Re: early spring queens and splitting

    if it were me, I would order them now. We are already sold out of April queens and we are not in the New Year. Procrastination leads to missed opportunity. I think that is an old Chinese Proverb.

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    Default Re: early spring queens and splitting

    Why not make your own queens? That way you will have the exact amount you will need. And they will all be free!
    Say your hive has 6 or 8 frames of brood in early April. Start split by removing the old queen and 2 frames of brood and a frame of honey and place them in a nuc. at the same time "notch" 3 or 4 brood frames in the original hive. You notch 2 day old larvae cells. The bees will make queen cells at each notch. Once the cells are sealed, in 5 days, split the rest of the hive into nucs putting a frame with 2 queen cells on it and another frame of brood and a frame with food in a nuc box. Squish all other queen cells. You will get 3 or 4 good splits doing this. The bees will fill the nuc very quickly and you will have them in full sized hives in no time.

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    Default Re: early spring queens and splitting

    My explanation of the above method was probably not very clear. see a good video from the man that invented it, Mel, at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIYz65Vquxg

    It is very interesting to watch.

    Good luck!

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    Default Re: early spring queens and splitting

    Order a few more than you think you will need. I'm sure you would not have a problem selling the extras locally.

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    Default Re: early spring queens and splitting

    Goat Man, I have no problem raising queens myself using Mel's method except I won't have any drones in April. I want to split early so that I can get them built up for the main flow which starts in late May. John

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    Oic

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    Default Re: early spring queens and splitting

    I guess I'll be making some phone calls tomorrow to see if I can still get some queens for April. John

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    I plan on rearing queens next spring. I am not sure where I will be in April though. I am not taking pre orders but will post that I have them available as I produce them. Risky and unreliable at best. But I will produce only a few at time and hopefully that will coincide with those that find themselves in need of queens at the same time. If I manage to purchase one of the plots of land I am looking at I will be ramping up a lot more than I am planning for as of now.
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    Default Re: early spring queens and splitting

    John, how many will you need? I book less than I expect to produce and should have extra each week. I still have openings on April 15th for up to 15 and more on the 22nd and 29th. I also set up a will call list and ship my extra out to them as I have them available. It could be 2 or 20 depending on how things go. If interested pm me.

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    Default Re: early spring queens and splitting

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Y View Post
    If I manage to purchase one of the plots of land I am looking at I will be ramping up a lot more than I am planning for as of now.
    Your not planning on Raising queens in Reno in April are you?

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    Default Re: early spring queens and splitting

    Not sure, My nuc was prepared in may of last year. I figure the queen had to be ready 4 to 6 earlier than that. We tend to run about a month behind on the seasons though. Keep in mind I have the Sacramento valley west of me. Palm trees grow less than two hours away. And seasons are normal 30 minutes east of here. So not likely here in Reno.
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    Default Re: early spring queens and splitting

    Dan Y,


    Just a word of advice especially if you are just starting queen rearing I wouldn't sell them but rather either keep them yourself or sell them really cheap untill you know you have a quality product, and then with some experience you could start selling them in earnest.
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    Many years ago I spent 2 years dong home maintenance for free. I put in tile floors. poured sidewalks built fences, installed doors. you name it if it needed fixing I woudl do it. For two years after that I worked if you bought me any tools I needed to get the job done. In those 4 years you could get a hot water heater replaced for the cost of the heater. I then enrolled in a 3 year course on building maintenance. Every class I was in the instructor quickly found out he could give me a small group of students and let me go teach them how to do something. install cabinets, frame walls. wire lights etc. When it came to hanging drywall. I actually ended up showing the instructor ways to do it faster and better. I am one of only about 40 people that actually have an associates degree from a major university in building maintenance. that hot water heater today would cost you $150 to be put in with my labor alone.

    I have not said I will sell queens I said I will produce them. I have also said I will make them available as they are produced. Available does not mean for sale. People can pay the postage and I might charge the cost of producing them. I will have to break that down and see what it comes to. basically it equals my customer paying for materials to have something fixed.

    I have to get breeding stock capable of producing queens worth paying for. That may be in a couple of years. Maybe a few next year.
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    Default Re: early spring queens and splitting

    Daniel, The reason I asked if you were going to raise them in Reno is that I think there is a reason no one else does it commercially in Nevada. Being so close to the california market seems like someone would do so for many reason if they could do so successfully. For starters there is No SIT once your doing it on the other side of the border......unlike CA where the people in Sacto feel obligated to charge anyone a nickle for every dollar produced in Cali.

    IMO northern Nevada is to high and to cold to get queens going when the market demands them. Southern Nevada has africanized Bees from what I've heard. If you plan on doing them in Northern Cali like many others you might want to make sure you hit a spot below 1000' msl . Its been my observation that those who try above that run into production problems until they grind all the way down to the valley floor or very close nearby. Sounds like you are young and in the eager learning mode which is fantastic. Eventually you need to make a dime off this gig as the junk to do it is expensive. Even if your not sure of your product charge a "below market" price and see what the response is. If the quality is up and the demand increases start charging what the market will bear.

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    Default Re: early spring queens and splitting

    Honey, Lol but thank you. I am all of 51 years young and my first memories are of living on a farm raising cattle. There is a lot that influences agriculture, or the lack of it in Nevada. One it is a Dessert but that is not the main reason. Land tends to start at $1000 an acre and go up fast here. Not exactly price friendly for ranches and farms. 90% of the state is owned by the Federal Government and is not for sale at any price. It is used for cattle production. I know of 1000 acres for sale on a mountain top that you can't even access for 1.9 million dollars. Just a couple miles away at the foot of that mountain 40 acres are for sale for $40,000. Some Californian will buy that mountain top. Build a 3 million dollar home and fly a helicopter to get to it.

    So beekeeping in Nevada is not influenced by the ability to keep bees alone. There are commercial keepers here. You just don't here about them. Cause what happens here stays here. In many places it is actually illegal to even photograph it.
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    Default Re: early spring queens and splitting

    local beekeepers are always happy to get 'proven' queens that have been mated locally, nucs too.

    i'll be marketing mine for a fair price to other folks nearby.
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