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    Default Hello everyone, just a few questions for you all.

    I'm completely new to this, I've been reading as much about honey bee's as I could and have a couple months to get as much knowledge of beekeeping as possible before I get my first hive to see if I will truly enjoy my new hobby or decide to make it more than a hobby.

    1) best type of bees to start with?
    2) does the type of flowers in your area decide the taste of your honey? I'm in Lexington, Ky
    3) how much in cost am I looking at for a starter kit to get involved?
    4) does the type of sugar water you feed bees affect the taste of honey?
    5) on an average season, amount of honey, wax to expect from one hive?
    6) besides wax, honey and royal jelly, what else can you get from bees?
    7) I live in a neighbor hood, my back yard is fenced up all the way around at height of 8 feet. Will this be a problem to neighbors or should I find a farm to put them on??

    Thanks for your help guys,I really don't know if these are the right questions to even ask.

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    Default Re: Hello everyone, just a few questions for you all.

    Quote Originally Posted by ImaNewBeeToThis View Post
    1) best type of bees to start with?
    That is a matter of opinion. I have Italians and Carniolans and like both

    Quote Originally Posted by ImaNewBeeToThis View Post
    2) does the type of flowers in your area decide the taste of your honey? I'm in Lexington, Ky
    Yes

    Quote Originally Posted by ImaNewBeeToThis View Post
    3) how much in cost am I looking at for a starter kit to get involved?
    Probably a few hundred dollars. Check several suppliers.

    Quote Originally Posted by ImaNewBeeToThis View Post
    4) does the type of sugar water you feed bees affect the taste of honey?
    Typically, honey made from syrup is not harvested. It is left for the bees.

    Quote Originally Posted by ImaNewBeeToThis View Post
    5) on an average season, amount of honey, wax to expect from one hive?
    That varies greatly. I would not expect any the first year.

    Quote Originally Posted by ImaNewBeeToThis View Post
    6) besides wax, honey and royal jelly, what else can you get from bees?
    Stings

    Quote Originally Posted by ImaNewBeeToThis View Post
    7) I live in a neighbor hood, my back yard is fenced up all the way around at height of 8 feet. Will this be a problem to neighbors or should I find a farm to put them on??
    You will have to ask your neighbors. Regardless of the fence, the bees may travel a couple of miles from their hive.
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    Default Re: Hello everyone, just a few questions for you all.

    1. Someone elses. Get to know another beekeeper and see if you can handle being around bees before you invest any money.
    2. Yes.
    3. Hundreds of dollars. Check out the Beekeeping Equipment Catologs. There are a number of them. Kelley Co, of Clarkson,KY would be a good start. Maybe you would like to go see their operation.
    4. Feeding sugar syrup should not be done when honey is being produced.
    5. The amount of honey and wax produced in your area will vary from year to year and is different from where I live, so predicting that for you won't work. There may be someone near you who has some idea what they have done. A lot depends on the beekeeper's knowledge and ability to manage their colony towards their personal goals.
    6. Propolis and venom.
    7. Backyard beekeeping can be done and is done all over the World. You will get to know your neighbors.

    There are no wrong questions, only wrong answers.
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    Default Re: Hello everyone, just a few questions for you all.

    Find a local bee club. There you can often get in on a group package bee buy. Google "beekeeping supply" and sign up for the various companies hard copy catalogs. If you're starting out on a shoestring, ignore their "starter" setups and get only what you really need.
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    Default Re: Hello everyone, just a few questions for you all.

    1) best type of bees to start with?
    I started with local bees from a reputable source. Bsically looked for a local commercial ro semi commercial beekeepr to buy them from.

    2) does the type of flowers in your area decide the taste of your honey? I'm in Lexington, Ky
    Yes that is one reason local honey is more valuable.

    3) how much in cost am I looking at for a starter kit to get involved?
    $250 plus bees according to this. http://www.westernbee.com/qs30/produ...15&detail=true
    I paid $100 for a 5 frame nuc of bees. I don't recommend kits but it does give you an idea. This kit woudl not have been large enough for my first year.

    4) does the type of sugar water you feed bees affect the taste of honey?
    Sugar water is for feeding your bees not making honey. It is also used to help them get comb drawn.

    5) on an average season, amount of honey, wax to expect from one hive?
    0 to 100 plus lbs per hive depending on many factors. My bees did very well last year. I still got no honey.

    6) besides wax, honey and royal jelly, what else can you get from bees?
    Propolis, Pollen, Venom, Queens, and the bees themselves.

    7) I live in a neighbor hood, my back yard is fenced up all the way around at height of 8 feet. Will this be a problem to neighbors or should I find a farm to put them on??

    Local ordinance have more to say about this than anything I have 4 colonies in my back yard. no problem. I am also looking for a farm. I want a lot more than just 4 hives.
    Stand for what you believe, even if you stand alone.

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    Default Re: Hello everyone, just a few questions for you all.

    3) Dont buy a starter kit, most are overpriced with allot of stuff you dont need, read the "How to Start Beekeeping" forum(first forum on this site) for a list of stuff you will need. Shop around, some place offer free shipping. If your handy with cutting wood you can save a bunch making you wooden ware.

    I would suggest at least two hives to start.

    Learn about mites, and monitor them, figure out how you are going to manage them. Don't ignore them they wont go away.

    Everything you need to know can be found on this site.

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    Default Re: Hello everyone, just a few questions for you all.

    Quote Originally Posted by ImaNewBeeToThis View Post
    I'm completely new to this, I've been reading as much about honey bee's as I could and have a couple months to get as much knowledge of beekeeping as possible before I get my first hive to see if I will truly enjoy my new hobby or decide to make it more than a hobby.

    1) best type of bees to start with?
    2) does the type of flowers in your area decide the taste of your honey? I'm in Lexington, Ky
    3) how much in cost am I looking at for a starter kit to get involved?
    4) does the type of sugar water you feed bees affect the taste of honey?
    5) on an average season, amount of honey, wax to expect from one hive?
    6) besides wax, honey and royal jelly, what else can you get from bees?
    7) I live in a neighbor hood, my back yard is fenced up all the way around at height of 8 feet. Will this be a problem to neighbors or should I find a farm to put them on??

    Thanks for your help guys,I really don't know if these are the right questions to even ask.
    1) VSH Italians.
    2) Yes.
    3) $300(+-).
    4) It shouldn't. You shouldn't extract syrup.
    5) None the first year; it varies a lot from there on.
    6) Pollen, propolis, more bees.
    7) It shouldn't be a problem to keep them at home, especially if you have gentle bees.

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    Thumbs Up The four P's: Prior Planning Prevents Poor Performance!

    I second what Mark says above.

    You can't always control what the bees do, or the weather, but you can prevent a lot of rookie mistakes by proper planning. If you read the right things, you will have a leg up on most new beekeepers. I like this site for a thorough discussion of up to date issues and practices that a beekeeper must manage to be successful.

    I prefer a queen that has been selected for mite resistance and recommend selection of a mite resistant queen for your first year. That limits your choices. I've ordered a few New World Carniolan (NWC) queens for next spring. You will find a fairly current list of mite resistant queen producers here.

    Find a successful and willing mentor at a local bee club, that will give you the leg up you need to be successful in your area.

    BTW, don't believe everything you read on a bee forum or see on youtube. When you read something online, keep in mind a person's experience level before betting your $500 investment on questionable advice. HTH
    LeeB
    I try to learn from my mistakes, and from yours when you give me a heads up :)

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    Default Re: Hello everyone, just a few questions for you all.

    I pretty much agree with everyone above. Might add just a couple of remarks since I am only 135 miles southwest of you, at Park City, Ky, Right at Exit 48, I-65) (Mammoth Cave).

    1. Italian are the least expensive, most plentiful, so I would recommend starting with Italian, but, there are lots of other good ones also.

    2..Absolutely. Each flower nectar produces a different taste, however, if you have multiple flowers/trees/shrubs, blooming, you will get a mixture of the different nectars, so you don't get a specific taste. In Lexington you will get predoninately clover as clover is very prolific, blooms almost all summer. Blackberry is very prolific in Spring, and it will dominate if they are in your area. Early fruit trees has a different taste, but in Lexington most of these will bloom early and the honey made from them will go to build up the hive and make wax/comb in your supers. By the time the bees start making surplus honey, the frut trees, have mostly bloomed out. In late Fall you could get goldenrod if it blooms early, or, we have a very warm September. Goldenrod has a very unique flavor, but, you will rarely get it here because it blooms late and often gets mixed with Fall Asters and Clover. This year was a good year for pretty much pure goldenrod. It bloomed early, and September was very warm.

    3. At least few hundred dollars. Talk to someone who is keeping bees, and don't just buy everything that has anything to do with beekeeping. Lots of it you don't really need to get started. Maybe as you grow, but not at first.

    4. Sugar water should not figure into the taste of your honey as feeding normally stops before the bees start making surplus honey.

    5. In Kentucky, first year package bees, little to none. But, it can vary from year to year. If you get a gallon or two in your supers, make sure your deeps are loaded with honey to get them through the Winter. Better to leave them that extra honey than lose the hive to starvation. If you get a good nuc in early April you could easily get 2-5 gallons first year. After the first year, 4 to 14 gallons per hive, using good management practices is pretty common for this area, with 6 to 10 gallons being a good average. But, you will find you may get 15 gallons from a hive or two, and absolutely none from others, sitting side by side, in the same area.

    6. All the above, plus a lot of enjoyment, if you like working with your bees.

    7. I have bees in the country, in the woods, and in backyards in Park City and Cave City. I often let neighbors in the towns use a hive or two to pollinate their gardens, never had a problem.

    You are 135 miles from me and I invite you to visit my facility, any time after 1 April and I will provide you with suit to wear, and we will go through a few hives and I will be happy to show you, and talk about everything you have asked about, from how the hives are built, to set-up, maintained, split, harvest, etc. I am also happy to help with questions you might have. Just e-mail me cchoganjr@scrtc.com, (270) 749-5191, make a time suitable to both of us, (I am available most any time) and I will be happy to help you.

    There is no such thing as a right question, if you do not know the answer.

    Hope this has helpful.

    cchoganjr
    Last edited by Cleo C. Hogan Jr; 12-27-2012 at 08:16 AM. Reason: spelling

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    Default Re: The four P's: Prior Planning Prevents Poor Performance!

    There's a huge learning curve and mistakes can result in loss of the bees, A mentor and be club are invaluable.

    And there is lots of choices/decisions to make. I'd recommend buying your supers and frames and foundation. They can be made if you have good saws and cabinet making skills. They are not a huge premium in price if you elect to assemble them your self. Bases, bottom boards, inner covers, outer covers or migratory covers are relatively easy to build your self.

    If you have a good back and are fit, I suggest going with three deep ten frame supers. Two for brood and one deep honey super. It gives great flexibility to move frames up and down as you manage the brood and winter stores.

    I'd then suggest three medium honey supers above that. They are lighter to work with.

    Likely at most you'd need one of the three medium honey supers the first year. Feed lots of 1:1 sugar syrup until the two deep broods are mostly drawn and you'll be surprised at the population and potential honey the first year. Harvested 50 lbs the first year and think it would have been a 100 lbs, if mismanagement didn't result in swarming.

    This configuration allows you to experience bees and super sizes and you can then decide what your preference is for long term.
    If you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got!

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    Default Re: Hello everyone, just a few questions for you all.

    Some great suggestions above.


    Quote Originally Posted by ImaNewBeeToThis View Post
    get as much knowledge of beekeeping as possible before I get my first hive to see if I will truly enjoy my new hobby
    It sounds possible that you have not had the opportunity yet to physically work with bees in the field . It's great that you are reading and studying up on beekeeping, but there is nothing in a book or forum that can prepare you for the actual "experience" of working the bees. It's different for everyone. Hopefully you will become hooked and addicted like so many here on Beesource. But after you've spent some time in the field there is a possibility that you might decide, this is not for me.

    Before you make the decision to invest hundreds of dollars in beekeeping equipment, this is my suggestion. Find a local beekeeping association and sign up for a year. You're probably only looking at a $10-$40 annual membership fee. Attend the meetings and start talking to some experienced members and see if you can find someone who would be willing to mentor you for a season. Borrow or purchase a veil or bee suit, tag along on their inspections, and try to get some hands on experience. You'll figure out pretty quickly if beekeeping is for you or not. At that point, if you decide to pursue it further, there are several different ways to get started. Package bees, nucs, or buy a compete hive set up locally from someone in your association.
    Last edited by Mike Gillmore; 12-27-2012 at 02:18 PM.
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    Default Re: Hello everyone, just a few questions for you all.

    Here are nine of them in my back (side) yard with my neighbors house 8 foot behind. Never told him I had bees but I am sure he knows.

    Mike Forbes
    Red Dirt Apiaries

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    Default Re: Hello everyone, just a few questions for you all.

    welcome to the addiction newbee.

    a lot of good advice already given here.

    might add, be sure you or anyone close is not deathly allergic to bee stings.

    finding another beekeeper nearby who would be willing to let you visit when his/her hives are being opened would be an excellent first thing to do.
    Last edited by squarepeg; 12-27-2012 at 03:05 PM. Reason: added 'not'
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

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    Default Re: Hello everyone, just a few questions for you all.

    Quote Originally Posted by squarepeg View Post
    might add, be sure you or anyone close is deathly allergic to bee stings.
    Or maybe NOT!

    Graham
    --- Victor Hugo - "Common sense is in spite of, not the result of, education.

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    Default Re: Hello everyone, just a few questions for you all.

    Hey NasalSponge,
    That's a great looking back-bee-yard. Good job!

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    Default Re: Hello everyone, just a few questions for you all.

    oops, thanks rader, fixed it.

    (rader, as is 'o'reily' on m.a.s.h., nothing much gets by you! )
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

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    Default Re: Hello everyone, just a few questions for you all.

    Sorry squarepeg, that was "Radar", not Rader. I don't know if Rader misspelled his own screen name or not. Though I suspect he didn't. I don't know what "RaderSidetracker" means.
    Mark Berninghausen "That which works, persists."

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    Default Re: Hello everyone, just a few questions for you all.

    Huh. First "o'reily", at least on that TV show, has two "L"s. And Mark is correct, he is "Radar."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_M*A*S*H_characters

    And "Rader", as in my Beesource name, is actually a placename. Rader TN was at one time a thriving village, complete with a Southern Railway depot, water tower and engine coaling facility, general store, church, etc. Today, not so much remains. The village was named after a local family, and of course that was long before anyone ever heard of "RAdio Detection And Ranging" (which got shortened into the acronym RADAR, and is now generally just accepted as a normal word. "radar").

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar

    Since we are way anyway, anyone remember when microwave ovens were called "Radaranges"? The technology was an offshoot of WW II radar research.

    The microwave oven was invented as an accidental by-product of war-time (World War 2) radar research using magnetrons (vacuum tubes that produce microwave radiation, a type of electromagnetic radiation that has a wavelength between 1 mm and 30 cm). In 1946, the engineer Dr. Percy LeBaron Spencer, who worked for the Raytheon Corporation, was working on magnetrons. One day at work, he had a candy bar in his pocket, and found that it had melted. He realized that the microwaves he was working with had caused it to melt. After experimenting, he realized that microwaves would cook foods quickly - even faster than conventional ovens that cook with heat.

    The Raytheon Corporation produced the first commercial microwave oven in 1954; it was called the 1161 Radarange. It was large, expensive, and had a power of 1600 watts. The first domestic microwave oven was produced in 1967 by Amana (a division of Raytheon).

    http://www.smecc.org/microwave_oven.htm
    Last edited by Rader Sidetrack; 12-27-2012 at 03:58 PM. Reason: update
    Graham
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    Default Re: Hello everyone, just a few questions for you all.

    cool, it was just a play on words.....

    and alluding to the way radar never missed a trick...
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

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    Default Re: Hello everyone, just a few questions for you all.

    Quote Originally Posted by westernbeekeeper View Post
    Hey NasalSponge,
    That's a great looking back-bee-yard. Good job!
    Thank you Sir!! Looks nothing like that right now, grass ans weeds are tall and I only have three hives right now but thanks!!
    Mike Forbes
    Red Dirt Apiaries

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