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  1. #41
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    Default Re: Housel positioning

    found some pictures posted by barry and mike bush that show how you can get sideways y's, if the bees start the cells with the flat side up.

    but they're actually not inverted on both sides.

    i win the mead, cheers oldtimer!
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

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    rader, i remember that one.....
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

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    Quote Originally Posted by squarepeg View Post
    it would be a half row lower.
    Where does that half row go? Do the bees make cells 1/2 size or 1 1/2 size to start out? If I were to guess I would say 1/2 size because I don't recall seeing large cells at the top of each frame.
    Brian Cardinal
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    I’ve got a great idea!
    I’ve observed that small hive beetles are strongly attracted to my hives. So what I propose is that beekeepers the world over point their hives in my direction. We’ll call it Dan’s Universal Homing….DUH for short.
    Think of it! No more beetle traps! No more roach bait! No more beetles!
    For a small fee I will send you coordinates for one of my specially attractive yards…and you can plug the numbers in to any GPS unit to determine the proper way to face your hives.

    As it will take many years for the migration to be complete, it will be challenging for the academic community to create studies to confirm its efficacy.

    I’ll be on the international beekeeping speaker’s circuit.
    Look out Randy Oliver….here I come!
    I already have the title to a book in mind. Beetless Beekeeping for the Naïve
    Dan www.boogerhillbee.com
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  5. #45
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    Hey Dan, how is that mead?

    What are you planning to do with all those beetles that arrive? Beetle juice?
    Regards, Barry

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    >As I read about the theory and looked at the Y pointing up and down, it dawned on me that the top row of cells on one side of the comb must be higher than the top row on the other (that is what causes the Y at the base of the cells to point up one one side and down on the other).

    Exactly.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-me...x=0&isremote=0

    If you look at the "anterior" and "posterior" views in the above illustration from Huber you can see that exact thing. The anterior first row is a half cell width more in height.
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Hey Dan, how is that mead?
    The best I’ve ever made, I think. Alas….it is still mead.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    What are you planning to do with all those beetles that arrive?
    I have a pretty simple idea there too. Over time, as beetles become scarce everywhere else, I’ll get them designated as an endangered species. I’ll create a zone and call it the Beetle Homeland. I’ll apply for (and surely get) federal funds to monitor and ‘properly’ maintain the zone.
    Dan www.boogerhillbee.com
    Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards

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    Quote Originally Posted by beemandan View Post
    For a small fee I will send you coordinates for one of my specially attractive yards…and you can plug the numbers in to any GPS unit to determine the proper way to face your hives.
    You need to think bigger than this. How about working with a GPS manufacturer and licensing to them the rights for a customized GPS that automatically points to the proper yard. Instead of a TomTom, it could be called a DanDan. It will be another must-have tool that can be included in those Beginning Beekeeper Packages, at an excellent margin.

    Graham
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    http://www.beesource.com/imgs/barry/oddcellbase.jpg

    This is the only piece of odd comb I've ever had from cut-outs. I'm calling it the Birkey positioning.
    Regards, Barry

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    Y oh y has this carried on for 3 pages

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rader Sidetrack View Post
    You need to think bigger than this.
    Maybe an appropriately priced app for iphones and androids? Call it DanDUH?
    Dan www.boogerhillbee.com
    Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    I'm calling it the Birkey positioning.
    No doubt in the future, this thread will be a reference for the Acebird Position.
    Graham
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    http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/v...ps7ef6cb7d.jpg
    http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/v...psb394e288.jpg

    I just took these pics and it appears to me that the bees transitioned the cells on the long side. The cells on one side are straight and on the opposite side they are angled upward (more than 13 degrees) for the first three rows. It doesn't appear to me that the top row of cells are oversized.
    Brian Cardinal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acebird View Post
    The cells on one side are straight and on the opposite side they are angled upward (more than 13 degrees)
    I believe I'd check the level on that hive.....
    Dan www.boogerhillbee.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by beemandan View Post
    I believe I'd check the level on that hive.....
    You believe the level of the hive would affect the first three rows and not the rest of the comb?
    Brian Cardinal
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    Quote Originally Posted by beemandan View Post
    I believe I'd check the level on that hive.....
    Or maybe some cross wires?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acebird View Post
    You believe the level of the hive would affect the first three rows and not the rest of the comb?
    Ace...I don't believe much that you say about beekeeping....don't get mad...you told me not to.
    Do you believe that Housel positioning caused only the first three rows and not the rest of the comb?
    A number of possibilities, in my inexpert opinion. I'd start with level....or if everything else seemed good, I wouldn't really care.
    Dan www.boogerhillbee.com
    Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards

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    Quote Originally Posted by beemandan View Post
    I have a pretty simple idea there too. Over time, as beetles become scarce everywhere else, I’ll get them designated as an endangered species. I’ll create a zone and call it the Beetle Homeland. I’ll apply for (and surely get) federal funds to monitor and ‘properly’ maintain the zone.
    Sounds like a plan. Everything works if you let it.
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Palmer View Post
    Or maybe some cross wires?
    Cross wires? Would do what?
    Brian Cardinal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
    Everything works if you let it.
    lol
    Dan www.boogerhillbee.com
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