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  1. #1
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    Default Having problems with the design

    Hey guys,

    I'm having a bit of a problem with the design of the langstroth. The carpenter I'm working with is having a problem getting the notches in, you know those square bits on the edges of the four corners where they pop into each other? He doesn't seem to know how to create those. Any suggestions?

    They're circled in red here:



    DISCLAIMER: The photograph is not mine, I just found it online. This was the best example I could find and I apologize to whoever the picture belongs to.

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    Default Re: Having problems with the design

    You need a real carpenter and not just a guy that gets paid to swing a hammer.
    He needs a dado blade.
    A good carpenter should have no problem making a jig (or sled) to space the cuts.
    There are a number of youtube vids illustrating such jigs.

    If your guy can't make one, he shouldn't have trouble finding a carpenter who can.

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    Default Re: Having problems with the design

    Ditto to what Beregondo said. Also look up how to make a box joint or finger joint. You can make a lap joint without a dado blade and it works just as well. Good luck.

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    Default Re: Having problems with the design

    Josh, an alternate box design is to skip the "box joints" and just dado (rabbet) the ends of the boards at the corners where they join. Be sure to glue (Titebond II or III is best) and nail or staple the joints as well. You can rabbet each mating board, or alternatively, just the side board and leave the end boards full thickness. There are multiple threads available using Search about this, here's one of them:
    http://www.beesource.com/forums/show...on-their-boxes

    Post #10 of that thread has a good diagram of what a corner with both boards rabbeted, but you can also just rabbet only one board at each corner. Show that diagram to your carpenter and discuss the options.


    And guys, please note that Josh is in the Phillipines before you bash his carpenter.
    Graham
    --- Practical reality trumps philosophy!

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    Default Re: Having problems with the design

    And guys, please note that Josh is in the Phillipines before you bash his carpenter.[/QUOTE]

    They do not have good carpenters in the Phillipines?

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    Default Re: Having problems with the design

    Quote Originally Posted by fieldsofnaturalhoney View Post
    They do not have good carpenters in the Phillipines?
    I don't know, I have never been to the Phillipines. Have you?

    I expect that somewhere in that country, someone does know how to make box joints. But whether Josh can afford that person's services, delivered to his specific location, is a different question. Unless you have been there and assessed the local economic situation, it takes a lot of hubris on your part to assert that you know what the situation is better than Josh, who is there!
    Graham
    --- Practical reality trumps philosophy!

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    Default Re: Having problems with the design

    joshc1025... go to utube and search box joints. There are lots of good videos there to show you how to make box joints, or, as suggested above, you can make rabbet joints. Good videos on those joints also.

    Good Luck. I have been to the Philippines, (Clark and Subic) there are lots of good carpenters/craftsmen there. I have a very nice, hand carved, Eagle, solid mahogny, from the Philippines in 1968.

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    Default Re: Having problems with the design

    We do have professional carpenters with state of the art equipment and as I understand they don't charge for much, just around 300 dollars. I was actually thinking of ordering the parts of the langstroth from the US unassembled. I figure it would be around the same price.

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    Default Re: Having problems with the design

    Josh... Shipping cost will be the big issue. Will likely be quite expensive. Is it possible to buy any used equipment locally. That might be your best bet.

    cchoganjr

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    Default Re: Having problems with the design

    Box joints can be cut by hand using a back saw, but if your carpenter has access to a table saw and dado blade, a jig will allow him to cut the joint.

    http://www.beesource.com/files/boxjoint.pdf
    Regards, Barry

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    Default Re: Having problems with the design

    Quote Originally Posted by Rader Sidetrack View Post
    I don't know, I have never been to the Phillipines. Have you?

    I expect that somewhere in that country, someone does know how to make box joints. But whether Josh can afford that person's services, delivered to his specific location, is a different question. Unless you have been there and assessed the local economic situation, it takes a lot of hubris on your part to assert that you know what the situation is better than Josh, who is there!
    Rader Sidetrack, no hubris,, I did not assert that I knew his situation better, I simply asked a question, because no matter where you are, if one person can not get it done, you can find someone that can, as mentioned above from others. And no I have not been to the Phillipines, but I would go with you and site see, find a good carpenter, and visit Josh C1021

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    Default Re: Having problems with the design

    Quote Originally Posted by fieldsofnaturalhoney View Post
    And no I have not been to the Phillipines, but I would go with you and site see, find a good carpenter, and visit Josh C1021
    Cool!


    Perhaps my earlier comment was a little harsh, but it seemed as though more than one post was beating up Josh for not having a better carpenter, without recognizing that the situation in his country may be different from the US.
    Graham
    --- Practical reality trumps philosophy!

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