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    Default Frames w/ foundation vs. empty frames

    Hello everyone,

    I'm going to be setting up a Langstroth hive in March and I wanted to know the advantages & disadvantages of frames with foundation versus the empty frames where the bees would fill it with their own foundation. Which would be better to place in a beginner hive?

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    Default Re: Frames w/ foundation vs. empty frames

    The problem starting with empty frames is dealing with getting the bees to draw the comb straight and center. A lot of problems can be avoided by using foundation in the beginning; even though it can be done without it. Once you have the drawn comb it is easy to place empty frames between drawn comb to get more straight comb. It all depends on how much you want to deal with. You really have to watch the hive if you decide to go "commando".

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    Default Re: Frames w/ foundation vs. empty frames

    I would suggest that you start with foundation in your frames, and then insert a few foundation-less frames between drawn frames as the season progresses. Bees may decide that the foundationless frames are a great place to create a bunch of drone comb, so keep them high in the hive and insert them only when a good honey flow is on.
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    Default Re: Frames w/ foundation vs. empty frames

    I had one frame I put in hive without foundation. with the frame sandwiched between drawn comb the bees seemed to do just fine. I woudl not want to try it with a box full of empty frames though.

    I used a lot of wax foundation this past year with mixed results. I will be trying plastic foundation for the first time this spring. I removed the one foundation less frame from the hive and now have it in my shed. Hard to find a place to keep it safe but I have if if needed. watching to see if anything like moths mess with it.
    Last edited by Daniel Y; 12-19-2012 at 05:19 AM.
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    Default Re: Frames w/ foundation vs. empty frames

    I have hives that have both. They seem to do fine as long as you sandwich the frames between foundation and foundationless frames. For honey extraction purposes the honey supers have all plastic foundation.

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    Default Re: Frames w/ foundation vs. empty frames

    Ok, so I'm going for frames with plastic. I saw a video on youtube and the installation process seems straightforward enough but when the plastic foundation is place, he inserts a pin to hold it wouldn't that cover a couple of cells?

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    Default Re: Frames w/ foundation vs. empty frames

    Quote Originally Posted by JoshC1021 View Post
    I wanted to know the advantages & disadvantages of frames with foundation versus the empty frames where the bees would fill it with their own...
    Foundation: can be ignored, even in the brood nest.
    Foundationless: won't be ignored if placed in or beside the brood nest.

    I have often used a short strip of foundation along the top of the frame. You can cut the foundation into four strips. It sets a good guide for them to draw out the rest of the frame. Also allows them to build the amount drone cells at the bottom that they are happy with. (So no need for an excluder.)

    Best of both worlds.

    Also makes the foundation go a lot further, 4 x more frames!

    Matthew Davey

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    Default Re: Frames w/ foundation vs. empty frames

    would an all plastic frame work fine? Do I need to have a layer of wax on it?

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    Default Re: Frames w/ foundation vs. empty frames

    Empty frames will not work. Frames with comb guides and no foundation will work. Frames with foundation will work.

    http://bushfarms.com/beesfoundationless.htm
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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