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    Default Hive Box Dipping Wax?

    Hi all,
    Wondering who has experience with hot dipping hive boxes and different waxes that are available?
    What wax did you use?
    I contacted Pacific Coast Chemicals about dipping waxes (per suggestion of members of this Forum) and requested a price on Paraffin Wax or similar type of wax that would work and they sent me 2 different product data sheets (see attached below) and told me that I would have to decide on one!!!
    Since I am new to this type of wooden ware treatment, I don't have a clue which one would work better!
    Any suggestions?

    Sasolwax R4242-1.pdf
    R4257.pdf
    Last edited by Mtn. Bee; 03-16-2012 at 09:40 AM.

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    Default Re: Hive Box Dipping Wax?

    I could be wrong but I'd guess they'd use beeswax

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    Default Re: Hive Box Dipping Wax?

    Michael Bush used beeswax!
    But a lot of other Beeks use other wax, besides that would be a heck of a lot of beeswax (more than I have) and beeswax is a lot more expensive than Paraffin or some other waxes when filling a tank up!!

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    Default Re: Hive Box Dipping Wax?

    I actually bought paraffin at the hobby store (which is the cheapest way as you don't have to pay shipping) but I couldn't bring myself to use it and did beeswax and rosin instead. If you add the rosin (which Pacific Coast Chemicals also has) I don't think it matters that much which you use. If you don't, then I think you need microcrystalline wax.
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Default Re: Hive Box Dipping Wax?

    The goal of the wax is to get the melting point up high enough that it doesn't get sticky in the heat or run out. Straight paraffin (depending on the type) has a melting point of 140 deg F. Adding Gum Rosin raises that melting point enough that it won't get sticky in the sun. My understanding (and I sure hope I'm right since I have 300lbs of parafin and 110lb of Rosin are sitting in my shop waiting for Spring breadk) is you need about 1/3 Rosin and 2/3 140 melt point parrafin to get a high enough. If you use microcrystalline wax I <think> you need a 50/50 mix of 140 deg and 180 degish wax. There's more details in a study done in Australia or New Zeeland or something. I'll see if I can find where I got it from and post later.

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    Default Re: Hive Box Dipping Wax?

    Found the link to the PDF http://goldcoastbeekeepers.hostply.c...nts/01-051.pdf
    Good for looking at tank designs etc also.

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    Default Re: Hive Box Dipping Wax?

    Thanks for posting Mr. C!
    So the way I understand it the waxes I have posted the data sheets on have a low melting point, which is what I requested from the Co.
    But that melting point will raise when I add the gum rosin?
    So should a Beek look at purchasing the lowest melting point wax or go with a higher melting point wax than the ones I attached?

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    Default Re: Hive Box Dipping Wax?

    140 deg F melting point wax is what you want if you are using gum rosin. I believe that is the highest melt point parafin wax. If you have a place you can pick up at you can save a bundle. Candlewic.com was the cheapest for me because I had to ship it. After shipping I think it was about $85 dollars for 50lbs. (30 bucks to ship), JH Calo was the only place I found that would sell just 1 bag of gum rosin at a reasonable price. I'm sure there's other out there <shrug>

    The lower melt temps may get sticky on you. I compared cost and parafin and gum rosin was the cheapest for me, microcrystalline was half again as much.

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    Default Re: Hive Box Dipping Wax?

    Thanks for your input Mr. C!
    Much appreciated!

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    Default Re: Hive Box Dipping Wax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. C View Post
    Found the link to the PDF http://goldcoastbeekeepers.hostply.c...nts/01-051.pdf
    Good for looking at tank designs etc also.
    New link is as follows as they moved the url

    http://www.gcabs.net.au/documents/01-051.pdf

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    Default Re: Hive Box Dipping Wax?

    I am curious if dipping the wooden ware in wax will adversely effect the retention of moisture within the hive.

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    Default Re: Hive Box Dipping Wax?

    I haven't seen any problem thus far, nor have I heard of anyone having a problem. It would prevent the wood from absorbing moisture from the air, but mst of the moisture is warm off the bees and is chimneyed out. As such I assume it's nothing the bees can't easily manage themselves. Besides they frequently propilize the inside of the hive to the same effect, this saves them the trouble.

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