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    Default Recommend an electric stapler/nailer for Frames?

    I've got a lot of new frames to put together. (I'm a beginner). Can anyone recommend a particular model of electric stapler or brad nailer? I prefer not to use air-powered simply because I don't own a compressor or have space for one.

    Thanks!
    Michael

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    Default Re: Recommend an electric stapler/nailer for Frames?

    I can't recommend an electric stapler, but I use a 18 gauge crown stapler. Max length is 1.5 inches. It works great.

    Ted

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    Default Re: Recommend an electric stapler/nailer for Frames?

    I have not used an 18 guage electric stapler or nailer, but based on the smaller electric staplers I have used, I don't think you will be happy with an electric tool.

    Compressors don't have to be huge. This one is available at a Canadian Tire store not far from you:
    http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/brows....jsp?locale=en

    There may be better deal available online.

    I would reccommend avoiding the very cheapest compressors, such as this one:
    http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/brows....jsp?locale=en

    While it may look OK, the DC motor (with brushes) is essentially similar to that used in a portable drill. Pay a few bucks more and get a better motor.

    And once you have a compressor, there are plenty of other thing you can do with it!

    This may be worth looking at:
    http://kelowna.en.craigslist.ca/tls/3460898431.html
    Graham
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    Default Re: Recommend an electric stapler/nailer for Frames?

    If you get one of the nice little pancake compressors they take up very little room. You can put em right under an assembally table and they arn't to heavy making carrying them to another spot pretty easy.

    http://www.harborfreight.com/3-gallo...sor-95275.html

    This is the one I use. Most big box stores sell something similar for a simalar price. I've never liked electric, they don't seem to do the job as well.
    Chris Cree
    Cree's Bees

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    Default Re: Recommend an electric stapler/nailer for Frames?

    I use a craftsman 18 gauge brad nailer works good.The only problem I have had was sometimes it will dry fire.I think they cost around $150.00.

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    Default Re: Recommend an electric stapler/nailer for Frames?

    I've got a lot of new frames to put together. (I'm a beginner).
    Be aware that one nail driven parallel to the deck (as we would have said in the Navy) is worth three driven straight down. You might wonder if your idea of a lot of new frames is really worth investing in power equipment. Four nails driven horizontally TOTAL (and a drop of glue) is all you would ever need in building a wooden frame.

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    Default Re: Recommend an electric stapler/nailer for Frames?

    harbor freight has a good working air stapler for $30, i got mine on sale for $20... the electric ones do not work the best.harbor freight and others have a dual brad nailer/ stapler, it is best to avoid this for frames, it does not consistantly put the staple where you aim it. learn to keep your fingers clear, a hidden knot or wild grain can deflect a staple when you least expcet it. i have had to relearn this warning a few times.

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    Default Re: Recommend an electric stapler/nailer for Frames?

    Quote Originally Posted by mathesonequip View Post
    learn to keep your fingers clear, a hidden knot or wild grain can deflect a staple when you least expcet it. i have had to relearn this warning a few times.
    Yup,

    That is a lesson I learned the hard way as well! Honestly, I had a crown stapler before we started keeping bees. My stapler is an air driven Bostitch. The tool works well. However, sometimes I will just use nails for frames.

    We use the air stapler alot for making lids, nucs, rim feeders and other misc parts. This is getting a bit off topic, but having an air compressor really comes in handy for other chores as well.

    HTH,
    Shane

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    Default Re: Recommend an electric stapler/nailer for Frames?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpmurray View Post
    I've got a lot of new frames to put together. (I'm a beginner). Can anyone recommend a particular model of electric stapler or brad nailer? I prefer not to use air-powered simply because I don't own a compressor or have space for one.

    Thanks!
    Michael
    As others have said, it's hard to recommend an electric stapler/nailer because they aren't any good. I have a stanley that is ok for stapling the wedge top piece for me (I turn it 90 degrees to use as a guide because I'm foundationless), but other than that it's pretty worthless for putting together equiptment. I also recommend the harbor freight pancake compressor and their staple/nailer. I bought one this last spring and couldn't be happier. As long as you have the pressure set at the correct PSI I think it's 70 something you are golden. More important, consider using a frame assembly jig. There is one in the plans section on here, or is you want a less complicated one google frame assembly jig and look for some guy who hates george bush (his name is something like bushsucks, or something). I think the jig is almost more important than the stapler/nailer, you can rock out some frames.

    Nevermind I did the work for you.

    http://robo.bushkillfarms.com/downlo...ssemblyJig.pdf

    P.S. I had to modify the plans a little because the exact size lumber he has listed wasn't available at my lowes, the side pieces ended up taller and the piece that holds the frames in was also wider/taller and so the opening had to be upsized accordingly. You could also modify this to take more than 10 frames at a time, but I found 10 to be just fine. Knock 10 out, put in an empty hivebody to finish drying, start the next 10.
    Last edited by rweakley; 12-09-2012 at 10:24 PM. Reason: Added info

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    Default Re: Recommend an electric stapler/nailer for Frames?

    http://www.amazon.com/Supplierpipeli...s=portable+co2

    Check out the above link , it is a co2 powered brad nailer/stapler gun that comes with a co2 cylinder so you don't need a compressor , but it will run off a compressor as well if you ever happen to get one.

    The co2 cylinder will run most other small air tools as well.

    I have one of these , it is light and works well.

    It is about $200 with the co2 kit.

    Or if you want to spend minimal bucks and don't mind a little more work , try a brad nail driver , they actually work very well.

    http://shopping.canoe.ca/shop/produc...d_2764859.html

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    Default Re: Recommend an electric stapler/nailer for Frames?

    Just a comment on the above. It is not a gimmick. It is a more portable way to use a compressed gas (Air is a gas) system. So if you have never sen it before don't think it is an odd ball thing. It does work.problem is getting CO2 is a bit odd but once you find a source you are fairly well set. Not as convenient as a compressor setting there supplying and endless stream of compressed air. When the tank falls below adequate pressure you have to go somewhere to get it filled. The longevity of a tank may be an issue in frame building. You can get 50 lb tanks to refill from and that helps a lot.

    Become aware of tanks and the regulation that concern them. they have to pass inspections every so often. As well as be stamped as approved. So just know not all tanks are equal. not all tanks can be filled. Cheap used ones are most suspect so know what you are doing.
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    Default Re: Recommend an electric stapler/nailer for Frames?

    I have one of these. It's not much more than a glorified tire pump but it does work, drives staples nicely into frames. I wouldn't expect to build a house with it, but you know, you get what you pay for. And the stapler comes with it. The stapler, so far for me, has been pretty darn good. The compressor is the weak link just because of how long it takes to refill. When I get some funds for a better one I'll then use that one to power the stapler, so this isn't throw-away.

    http://www.lowes.com/pd_103500-43657...AID=1024194494

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    Default Re: Recommend an electric stapler/nailer for Frames?

    I would do this. Wait for a sale and you can get it for 39 bucks. BF it was 30. http://www.harborfreight.com/air-too...sor-95275.html Get a roll of air hose too.

    Then get this stapler. http://www.homedepot.com/buy/ridgid-...l#.UMaKY3euxOg you can find them refurbished also. Perfect for frames.

    For boxes get http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o09_s00_i00

    That is what I use. The compressor is for the back of the truck to use when I am waiting for my daughter at cheer practice. I have a bigger one in the garage. But, you cant beat the price.

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    Default Re: Recommend an electric stapler/nailer for Frames?

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    Default Re: Recommend an electric stapler/nailer for Frames?

    Quote Originally Posted by Acebird View Post
    You want to go the air route. electric is not going to do a good job for you and think of all the other uses for that compressor. How are you going to add air to your tires with an electric brad nailer, that is only going to give you holes. You can blow out your pc all all sorts of things. Dont go electric just a waste of money and a piece of junk. You also want staples not brads.

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    Default Re: Recommend an electric stapler/nailer for Frames?

    Quote Originally Posted by EastSideBuzz View Post
    You want to go the air route. electric is not going to do a good job for you ...
    I haven't used the electric nailer that I gave a link to so I don't know if it is junk. I do know that all contractors use cordless electric drills extensively. The power source is not what makes it junk. A cordless electric nailer could be used easier in the bee yard than an air driven nailer so there are advantages. I also see some advantages in using a brad nailer over a crown stapler for frames.
    Brian Cardinal
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    Default Re: Recommend an electric stapler/nailer for Frames?

    Ace, Or anyone else, How often would a person be using a nailer in the bee yard. I always imagine using it in a shop. I know repairs and such that made in the yard but have no idea of how often that can be expected. Just looking ahead at what I might expect.
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    Default Re: Recommend an electric stapler/nailer for Frames?

    I can't give you an answer on that but what can happen is if you don't have a tool you do things another way but when you have a tool, especially when it is cordless, you find lots of uses.
    Let me give you an example even though it is reversed:
    We run a storage facility and from time to time we have to cut locks. Some locks require using a grinder. I would have to drag out 200 ft of extension cord to get power to the grinder to cut the lock. Then I bought a cordless grinder which was great if the batteries were charged and I only had to cut one lock. Now I have a generator which is the cats meow. I bought the generator for the RV but it has so many other uses. Now that I have a small generator at this facility I don't think I would be without one if I were a commercial beekeeper.
    Brian Cardinal
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    Default Re: Recommend an electric stapler/nailer for Frames?

    I run 150+ hives. Once every other year I wind up taking the compressor to the field to do some fixing. But, usually I swap out the gear and bring it back for fixing.

    Staples on frames IMHO. But, would make an interesting poll.

    As for the grinder. I use this one almost every day of the year. It is great for grinding staples when they go with the grain and come out. Or on pallets when you are modifying them. http://www.factoryauthorizedoutlet.c...cts/DC411B.asp. Out of all my tools this is by far the favorite. My nail guns are pretty fun but, this one is the best. Ok my Kubota tractor with backhoe is the best best.

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    Default Re: Recommend an electric stapler/nailer for Frames?

    I could'nt wait to return my large electric stapler. Very heavy an hard to hold in place ,waiting for the kick back. My hand was tired just after the first ten frames. After I returned to the store for a refund, there was an air compressor with braid nailer for $15.00 differance $69.00. Two years later still works great. Go air. save up, an buy once, you'll be a happy beeker you did.

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