John & Wayne's Honey Stick device

[BeeCurious]

http://www.johnwaynehoney.com/sticks.html

While the "manifold" may be food grade I'm wondering about the squeeze pump.

It looks like an interesting project but...

[Flewster]

Why dont you PM and ask me how I test and develop my device? I have been in development for 5 years, tested and have made over 15 thousand honey sticks with my device. Buy it and take it to your state health dept and if they say no-go then i will refund your money. Do you treat your hives? I don't cause i dont want all those chemicals in my honey. I wont process my sticks with anything that would be bad either. I've passed all through my state.

[dirt road]

Flewster; I'm not sure that BC was "bad mouthing" you. More like expressing some curiosity mixed with possibly some minor misgivings. If you have all the effort into the project you say, then I suppose it's natural to be a bit defensive, or maybe protective is a better word. Whatever his position is, a more positive response would be in your best interest.

[Flewster]

Flewster; I'm not sure that BC was "bad mouthing" you. More like expressing some curiosity mixed with possibly some minor misgivings. If you have all the effort into the project you say, then I suppose it's natural to be a bit defensive, or maybe protective is a better word. Whatever his position is, a more positive response would be in your best interest.

Your right. Maybe I am a little protective of what I have done. Going through the patent process as we speak and that is at least a $5000 ordeal. I am just trying to offer a easy to use cost competitive product to my fellow beeks. I know what is in my machine. If you want to know just PM me. I have jumped through hoops, goals, and fire rings to get this down to a workable product. Is it perfect? NO. It is not a spit and polished project. But it works. I know it works and I am trying to offer another solution to you guys and gals. I think the price is fair for what it is. One season of selling sticks and you pay for it. and they make perfect samples for your honey when you sell to the public. Cut it in half and hand it to customer and 9 out of 10 times they buy a jar of honey.........and a bunch of sticks.......I am sorry if I came off too harsh. If you could see the comments people have made in private....makes me wonder if this site was the best place to first market the John & Wayne Honey, Honey Stick Machine. And I thought my mother in law was harsh on me.

[BeeCurious]

Your right, I'm not interested in buying one

And I think you're right to discuss the device in private.

[cerezha]

Well, it is posted in "Equipment/Hardware Review", which means, it is expected to be reviewed and, yes, criticized if necessary. It is strange that device for food does not require the certification. It uses the heat, it means that all plastic parts would release more plastifier than at room temperature. Squeeze pump look very suspicious - I am using similar one to pump gasoline to the boat outboard engine. I apologize for review, nothing personal, just a potential customer...

[Flewster]

Well, it is posted in "Equipment/Hardware Review", which means, it is expected to be reviewed and, yes, criticized if necessary. It is strange that device for food does not require the certification. It uses the heat, it means that all plastic parts would release more plastifier than at room temperature. Squeeze pump look very suspicious - I am using similar one to pump gasoline to the boat outboard engine. I apologize for review, nothing personal, just a potential customer...

I understand you questions and of course I had those same questions. In KS we have to have our honey processing facilities inspected by the state. They come at least once a year and we pay them our dollars they wave their magic food safety wand and we are once again given permission to continue to make food products for our customers. We have had this device in our processing facility for each of the last five years. It has been looked at and approved by KS state food kitchen inspectors for use in processing honey sticks. I am not sure what more I can say about my machine. I hope that you all have a good day.

[Rader Sidetrack]

Those of you bringing up food safety with plastic materials should consider ordinary PVC and CPVC water pipe. It is obviously carrying food for human consumption, and in the cases of CPVC pipe, rated for use with hot water.

The PVC pipe is not rated for hot water, but that is because of pressure concerns, not food safety. Ordinary PVC (cold water use) is used everywhere. Even if you don't have it in your building, it is almost certainly in use somewhere in virtually every municipal water system in the country.

[RogerCrum]

Flewster, congrats on the elegant simplicity of your design. The pump is not frightening at all as I am very comfortable with a turkey baster, zip lock bags, ketchup bottles, all manner of plastic storage and food preparation devices. In use, the warm honey is only briefly in the squeeze bulb.

All in all, a nice quiet device for cottage industry packaging of one's own honey for convenient customer enjoyment.
Roger

[Flewster]

Flewster, congrats on the elegant simplicity of your design. The pump is not frightening at all as I am very comfortable with a turkey baster, zip lock bags, ketchup bottles, all manner of plastic storage and food preparation devices. In use, the warm honey is only briefly in the squeeze bulb.

All in all, a nice quiet device for cottage industry packaging of one's own honey for convenient customer enjoyment.
Roger

Thank you. I guess you said it better than i could. I looked all over my ketchup packet i got from wendys and nowhere is there a certification for use with food. Thank you for your kind comments

Wayne

[Brandy]

So, is the pump approved by itself a food grade pump, or is it that you've been using it in your facility and KS Health didn't say anything about it?

[Flewster]

So, is the pump approved by itself a food grade pump, or is it that you've been using it in your facility and KS Health didn't say anything about it?

Great question. Answer is BOTH.

[BeeCurious]

From a related thread:

Decided to offer the plans to the machine and will include the video with that. Contact me for plans. They will be $150

Wouldn't $10 be a more reasonable price for the "plans" / shopping list.

[Flewster]

Wish I could sell them that cheap. But really my time and commitment to the quality of the product I put out prohibits that.

[cerezha]

... But really my time and commitment to the quality of the product I put out prohibits that.

Strange. Do you mean your machine or plans? What is special in quality of plans? Very expensive paper? or inks? When you sell plans, do you sell a license to make a device? If you patented it, you should sell a license, which includes plans.

[BeeCurious]

Strange. Do you mean your machine or plans? What is special in quality of plans? Very expensive paper? or inks? When you sell plans, do you sell a license to make a device? If you patented it, you should sell a license, which includes plans.

There is no "machine" that can be patented.

[linn]

I really wish my bee club would buy your machine. There are always requests for the club to speak at various places like the game farm, library, school ... This machine would be such a draw. Think of the group of kids watching those honey sticks being filled-especially at county fairs.

[Flewster]

There is no "machine" that can be patented.

It is patent pending thank you very much. A machine does not have to be power driven to get a patent.

[Rader Sidetrack]

A machine does not have to be power driven to get a patent.

Indeed.

Here is a story about a relatively recently (2005) patented wrench fighting a competitor:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/09/bu...anted=all&_r=0

The popular Vise-Grip wrench was first patented in 1921.

Image linked from, and more on the history of this tool here:
http://www.livinghistoryfarm.org/far...chines_12.html

[Flewster]

I wish to thank all the people who have kept an open mind on my machine. There are those that find it necessary to nit pick and say things they have no clue about. I have to wonder their motive. Are they jealous of what i have made? Maybe they wish they were talented enough to design, research, patent and build one themselves. Or maybe they are just pot stirrers. Whatever their motive it will not deter me from offering the small beek the opportunity to get out from the large corp and make their own sticks with their own honey. With an easy to operate device that will pay for itself in one season. Only two people have called and talked to me personally. Two more have pm'ed me and asked what they wanted to know. All good inventions were criticized and i wont be deterred. Thank you to my fellow beeks who understand and appreciate an inventor.