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    Default first attempt at queenrearing

    i have an idea i would like to get some feedback on about queenrearing.

    i have access to a yard about four miles away that i wanted to set up as a nuc yard.

    i was thinking about using the five frame nuc boxes that i alreay have, and splitting each one down the middle with a divider board, thus creating (2) two frame mating nucs in each one.

    i like the idea of incubating the capped queen cells, allowing the virgins to hatch in my garage, and placing them in the mating nucs.

    i figure if one side doesn't get mated, or if i use or sell the queen frome one side, i can use a couple of 3/8" holes in the divider board to do a newspaper(less) combine, and end up with a five frame nuc to use or sell.

    i envision using a yard feeder for these, and robbing drawn comb and brood for my production yards.

    i also envision some of the local beeks bringing me 4 frames in their five frame nucs to put virgins into.

    do you think this will work?
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

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    Default Re: first attempt at queenrearing

    Quote Originally Posted by squarepeg View Post
    i was thinking about using the five frame nuc boxes that i alreay have, and splitting each one down the middle with a divider board, thus creating (2) two frame mating nucs in each one.
    This comes to mind....

    Root, A.I., ABC of Bee Culture, 1878

    If we are to have this [a] quart of bees work to the best advantage, something depends upon the sort of hive they are domiciled in. A single comb, long and narrow, so as to string the bees out in one thin cluster, is very bad economy. Two combs would do very much better, but three would be a great deal better still. It is like scattering the firebrands widely apart; one alone will soon go out; two placed side by side will burn quite well; and three will make quite a fire. It is on this account that I would have a nucleus of three, instead of one or two frames. The bees seem to seek naturally a space between two combs; and the queen seldom goes to the outside comb of a hive, unless she is obliged to for want of room.

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    Default Re: first attempt at queenrearing

    Just what I have observed in a friends operation wherein he builds hundreds of three frame nucs, three to a deep box. The attempt is made to make a three frame split and add a queen cell to it. The resulting mated queen, along w/ the worker bees of course, will maintain a brood pattern between two combs, facing each other. They will blossom out as need for more space occurs and ambient temperatures aid in keeping brood warm.

    There is a bee economy reason behind why Commercially Raised queens are raised in miniframe nucs. Doing so is more3 successful. Frames half or onethird the length of standard frames. I have seen three frames and a feeder used.
    Mark Berninghausen
    Squeak Creek Apiaries



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    Default Re: first attempt at queenrearing

    just what i was looking for mike and mark. three frames it will be.
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    Default Re: first attempt at queenrearing

    i was inspired by lauri's description of using an egg incubator to hatch out queen cells, and then marking and placing the newly hatched virgins in her mating nucs.

    is there any down side to this?
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

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    Default Re: first attempt at queenrearing

    Besides the handling of virgin queens? Maybe Mike has some experience there. I find them quite skittish on the comb and have never tried to pick one up. Whereas, mated and laying queens are realatively easier to grab hold of.

    Personally I would rather have a virgin emerge into a mating nuc. How are you going to keep the emerging virgin queens seperate and safe from each other. Transporting and installing too? Just some things to think on.
    Mark Berninghausen
    Squeak Creek Apiaries



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    Default Re: first attempt at queenrearing

    good points mark.

    the capped queen cells are incubated in a 'hair roller' cage. when they hatch, they are in that cage.

    lauri explains that she has found it important to remove the from the cage fairly quickly, and she places them on open cells of honey in her mating nuc. since they can't fly yet, handling shouldn't be too hard.

    one down side would be getting those virgins placed in a timely manner, especially if one were rearing lots of queens. i am probably only going to raise about 20 at a time.
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

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