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    Default re-queening strong hives

    I have a couple hundred hives that have last years queens in them and that I would like to re-queen. My method in the past would be to use queen excluders to divide the two brood bodies, come back in 4 or 5 days and look for the queen in the one that has the eggs. This year I'm thinking of rather than looking for the old queen, I will just put queen cells in the top brood box, thinking that she will hatch out and kill the old queen and become the new queen. Has anyone tried this method before with positive success? What are some of your methods, those with several hundred colonies please? For me this year, time is a factor. Thank you, and best of wishes.

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    Default Re: re-queening strong hives

    I know some people do it that way, but my only concern would be knowing if they actually requeend or not, assuming none of your queens are marked.

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    Default Re: re-queening strong hives

    >This year I'm thinking of rather than looking for the old queen, I will just put queen cells in the top brood box, thinking that she will hatch out and kill the old queen and become the new queen.

    If I were trying to requeen them, that is what I would do.
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    Default Re: re-queening strong hives

    I tried about 10 last year with about 50% success using makeshift foil cell protectors. I am not sure my protectors were that great. They tore down about half of them. I am going to try again this year with commercial protectors. Last year I put them in them between the top bars in the center of the brood nest. I thought this year I might also try putting them between frame 1 and 2 or 9 and 10 instead.
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    Default Re: re-queening strong hives

    Formic Acid?

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    Default Re: re-queening strong hives

    Quote Originally Posted by zhiv9 View Post
    I tried about 10 last year with about 50% success using makeshift foil cell protectors. I am not sure my protectors were that great. They tore down about half of them. I am going to try again this year with commercial protectors. Last year I put them in them between the top bars in the center of the brood nest. I thought this year I might also try putting them between frame 1 and 2 or 9 and 10 instead.
    Is that to say you had 100% success on the ones that didn't tear your cells down? Did you have a marked queen in the beginning and an unmarked one a few weeks later?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markt View Post
    Is that to say you had 100% success on the ones that didn't tear your cells down? Did you have a marked queen in the beginning and an unmarked one a few weeks later?
    Yes, I believe so. I hadn't really intended for it to be a formal study. I had more queen cells then nucs, and rather than waste them I tried putting them into some hives with older queens or queens I was unhappy with for one reason or another. I know none of the hives ended up queenless. I am planning on trying this on a larger scale this season with cell protectors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honey-4-All View Post
    Formic Acid?

    Are you asking if I was treating with formic during cell introduction? the answer is no.
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    Default Re: re-queening strong hives

    Quote Originally Posted by Honey-4-All View Post
    Formic Acid?
    Treat with formic? Queen prolly won't last and put a cell in? Two birds with one stone? Yes! Lol

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    Default Re: re-queening strong hives

    90% formic will take care of most queens.

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    Default Re: re-queening strong hives

    Leaving out the formic acid, if this is done in spring success will be fairly low. If it's done in fall when bees are naturally superseding success will be higher.

    However the exact success cannot be stated cos it depends on so many things. But in spring, you may get something around 20% take, in fall, maybe 50%.

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    Default Re: re-queening strong hives

    Quote Originally Posted by zhiv9 View Post
    I tried about 10 last year with about 50% success using makeshift foil cell protectors. I am not sure my protectors were that great. They tore down about half of them.
    Was there a nectar flow on at the time? If not, the acceptance goes way down. And, the cells should be placed in the supers, not in the broodnest.

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    Default Re: re-queening strong hives

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Palmer View Post
    Was there a nectar flow on at the time? If not, the acceptance goes way down. And, the cells should be placed in the supers, not in the broodnest.
    It was at the tail end of our main flow. I use excluders, so in the supers wasn't really an option. I wondered if on an outside frame wouldn't achieve the same thing or at least be better than in the centre of the brood nest. I often find supercedure cells inbetween frames 1&2 or 9&10.
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    Default Re: re-queening strong hives

    I have placed cells on the last frame in brood nest with good success. The cell is hidden in the honey.

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    Default Re: re-queening strong hives

    RAK, I think I'm going to try your method of re-queening. With about 40 hives in the beeyard, and having to go through several yards, there is a lot of time involved looking for the queen, especially when you have quite abit of queen cells to put in, and your running out of time. Thanks for your imput. Best of wishes to you.

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    Default Re: re-queening strong hives

    I've done it ...... I have basically the same acceptance rate as cells hatched and queens mated from a mating nuc.... approx 80-85% The problem you'll need to check is that when the new hatched virgin kills the old queen, goes out for her mating flight then does not make it back to the hive........ so you'll need to check later (approx 2 weeks) to see that they are queen right.
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