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With prices like these beesource will be growing leaps and bounds.
With prices like these beesource will be growing leaps and bounds.
Are you getting a little bit sarcastic here, squarepeg? :scratch:please enlighten us, how have you with so little experience come so quickly to determine that generations of beekeepers with years of practice have gotten in so wrong.
please, when you figure out the 'correct' way, share it with the rest of us, so that we will no longer be 'mistaken'.
:digging:what's the point? forgive me for saying so, but if are you trying to make yourself look good by making somebody else look bad, it's not working.
For most things this is true but with beekeeping there are too many contradictions at the Professor or Employer level. This is why a forum discussion often results in a debate. As a newbie this is good. As a professor or an employer it may not be so good.In a learning environment whether it be in a bee yard under the employment of a commercial beekeeper or in a classroom setting where you are listening to a professor's lecture you are in an environment where it is understood that listening and learning is what students do.
Employers will have their employees do it their way right or wrong. Hopefully you can see the distinction between an employee and a forum member. Instructors (at the college level) are concerned with completing a syllabus on time. It is less of a concern at the college level that the student succeeds.Employers and instructors will gladly listen to respectful and probing questions but long winded talks about why they are in error would never be tolerated for long.
Squarepeg, actually I agree 100% with your original comment. I just couldn't pass up an opportunity to illustrate the old parable about "the shoe being on the other foot".you're right rader, touche'.
Cleo, maybe its time to repost your original comment from the "wax" thread ...Acebird...Correct..I don't know too many engineers, I don't know too many beekeepers, in fact I don't know too much of anything. The word "too" is the operative word here.
I am sorry that you have to work in that environment. It is an atmosphere that I would expect to see in a large corporation more so than a small company that needs results from it's engineering staff.Engineers like yourself push their agendas and ideas without having actual hands on experience, and in that they fail to see what problems could arise and will arise.
Some good observations LS. I have often said that one of the arts of management is having the wisdom to separate the really bad ideas that come your way from the really good ones and you are right the good ones can sometimes come from the most unexpected places. So tell us who are you gonna hire LS, the guy with the degree or the guy with the dirty hands who says he sure needs a job and is willing to learn and do whatever needs to be done? Yeah I know probably an overly simple question in your line where some jobs clearly require a great deal of expertise. But havent many of the best employees started out at the very bottom and learned as they went?The $189.00 might be cheap. I started in beekeeping some 19 months back. The internet and a few phone calls have been the only outside assistance that I have received. My bees have survived and are finally prospering, but they did have a rough first year. I am now recovering from knee replacement surgery. As such, I won't be able to travel comfortably until after the first of the year. This spring I intend to travel and visit some beeks within a couple of hundred miles of my place. My driving expenses and motel costs for two of these trips will well exceed 189 bucks.
Let's face the facts, some people learn well in a class room environment, others need the hands-on experience and some lack the discipline to follow instruction. There are many different types of learners. This brings to mind the old Will Rogers quote: "Some men learn by reading, some men learn by observation, the rest of them have to pee on the fence."
I'm an engineer. I supervise drilling hostile environment oil and gas wells. My crew has two safety meeting a day at crew change. At that time we address safety concerns for the next 12 hour shift. I invite all of my crew members to please give their opinion about our upcoming chores and tasks. Before we do a major operation, we have another meeting about procedures, and once again, I ask the input of all members of the work team. Sometimes the lowest ranking person on the crew has the best solution. It has been my experience that engineers are no more dogmatic than other supervisors.
Ace, you often talk about "large corporations". Can we know what large corporations you have experience with. As for experience, I mean within the walls... Eating Corn Flakes doesn't count as experience with Kellogg's.It is an atmosphere that I would expect to see in a large corporation
That is always an option but I am not sure I would personally be enlightened even if it was for 20 bucks.For 189 bucks, I would think one should expect some personal enlightenment. Nothing more.
"Stop making sense Making sense."I am not sure I would personally be enlightened even if it was for 20 bucks.
That is because when you finished your degree there was other opportunity for you if by some chance you really didn't take to beekeeping. Today, the unprivileged student is 200,000 dollars in debt and may have no job offers at all when he/she graduates. You can capitalize the loans only so long and that is just digging a hole deeper anyway.It took us a while to repay our loans, but we never felt likeanything was going to be foreclosed on to reclaim the debt owed.
Then you got to grin and bear all the stupid questions that cost you time. Trust me on this one. I volunteered for the internships every year (no one else would do it) I could tell in a heartbeat which students were interested in an engineering carrier or even technical carrier or just there to goof off. An inquiring mind is going to consume your time without question. If you show patience and deal with the stupid questions you will have a believer.First I want someone who can work and has a brain, able to see when something is wrong and able to fix it or bring it to my attention.