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#1 ·
Does anyone have personal experience with the flow rate (GPM) on the 1" Maxant Honey Pump?
 
#3 ·
I am a dealer for Maxant and talked to them. Bottom line, they don't know. No flies on Maxant. They are really good about standing behind their products. They say the pump will only pump 1 GPM. That is based on recollection of a calculation done 40 years ago by someone who is no longer in the picture. They have no anecdotal information from actual users. My motor RPM/pump output capacity/pulley size calculations indicate 6.86 GPM with a 1 HP motor. They are using an underpowered 1/3 HP HVAC blower motor but they are using a double jack pulley system. Even with the undersized motor the pump ought to do 2+ gallons a minute. The only anecdotal information I have from actual users is 1.6 GPM pumping under heavy load through an in-line filter and 2 to 2.5 GPM in a hot honey room, high moisture honey, low load situation. I am hoping someone else using the Maxant pump will post their experience.
 
#5 ·
Thanks for the reply THALL. That's more than I (or Maxant) thought it would do. I'm wondering about the following specifics:

1) Are you running 1" lines all the way or close nippling on both sides of the pump and running 1-1/2" or 2" lines?
2) What is the average moisture level of the honey you are pumping?
3) How high are you having to pump it vertically into your tanks?
4) How do you have your pump anchored to the floor (not at all, lagged into the slab, blocked in but not lagged, etc.)
5) How are you uncapping (some of the guys using chain uncappers get slower rates due to the real small wax bits that get past the sump)?
 
#6 ·
I am not familiar with this exact pump but I have been researching these pump beads. The potential performance is greatly affected by:
Required lift-always try tokeep the pump lower than the supply or "charge" the supply side witbwith a pusher pump-maybe a hand version. The viscosity/weight is the real problem.
Run at the proper rpm so the liquid does not cavitate inside the pump. The thicker the fluid and or the higher the lift the lower the rpm needed. If this pump is a true 1" gear pump I would think a 1 1/2 HP pump would providea lot more volume than what has been posted.
 
#9 ·
The potential performance is greatly affected by:...
And the type of pump.
I used these pumps on high viscous water based conductive adhesives.
https://www.gvc.net/c/5201/sine-pump-parts
The whole issue with pumping viscous materials is getting the material to the push side of the pump. If you can successfully do that than you can push it anywhere with just horsepower. These pumps are food grade easy to clean and keep clean but I don't suspect that there are many used in the honey industry because of their cost. However, they are well suited for the application.
These pumps were the only pump design that was capable of doing the job for adhesives because of their low shear action.

I am just curious but has anyone measured the viscosity of honey before and after it has been pumped? I suppose thinning the honey down is not a negative for most consumers.
 
#11 ·
No I mean thinning down by mechanical shear. Nothing is added (like water). If you were to compare the viscosity before pumping and after pumping it would have to be at the same temperature to make a true comparison.
 
#12 ·
Thinning by shear would suggest to me, and remember I am by no means any authority on pumps, that cavitation is taking place no? The only other way it could be thinned by shear would be due to heat caused by friction-again a guess??

In speaking with an engineer at a large pump manufacturing company it was explained to me that the problem with pumping high viscosity liquids, as you suggest, is getting the liquid to the push side BUT I was also told that a gear pump, in a high viscosity application, will have trouble lifting the liquid (head???). This person was very helpful & informative and thought the gear pump would be helped greatly with some sort of pusher pump or having the liquid supply placed level with, or above, the pump inlet. He also said that cavitation is large issue in determining the pump size and rpm.

Thanks
Howard
 
#13 ·
Supply side is always level with pump in an extraction situation because the honey is being pumped from a sump where the outlet is about the same height as the supply side of the pump. Cavitation is caused by the honey not being able to fill the void caused at the inlet by the pump fast enough. This problem is alleviated by warm honey (85 F or above), close nippling on both sides of the pump and going up 1 or two hose sizes right at the nipple, and making sure the float switch turns off the pump before the honey level gets below the top of the sump outlet. No need to reinvent the wheel. There are plenty of good honey pumps on the market. I am just trying to find out if anyone has personal, real world, anecdotal experience with the 1" Maxant honey pump.
 
#15 ·
The Maxant pump is a gear pump so these type pumps are obviously widely used to pump honey.
http://www.maxantindustries.com/pumps.html

It appears from the picture that they have this pump slowed down to maybe 300 rpm. The large pulley looks 6X larger than the motor pulley. The page states that the inlet/outlet are 1" which suggests it is a 1" gear pump.. I would guess it is an Oberdorfer 700N or equivalent. I didn't take the time to look for the specs so I can't tell what the performance is. In my experience Maxant makes top quality equipment and this pump appears to be a good value. I too would be interested in hearing from someone that has one.

I am confused about your statement about shear & honey. Are you saying that the gear pump WILL cause thinning of honey by the shearing action? It appears so because you go on to say that packers benefit from this shearing???

Thanks
Howard
 
#16 ·
Are you saying that the gear pump WILL cause thinning of honey by the shearing action?
I am saying that is what happens with other hi viscosity water based materials. Whether it happens with honey (I suspect it does) I have no proof. If someone wants to check to see if the breakdown would be significant it can easily be proven. Take some raw honey and run it through the gear pump. Fill one jar with pumped honey and one with raw honey. Drop a ball of the same diameter in each jar at the same time and see if the pumped honey reaches the bottom first. To make a fare comparison you should probably let both jars stand for an hour to make sure that they are both at the same temperature.
 
#18 ·
BTT :)

I found that honey viscosity is 10,000 cps
It will very greatly with moisture content and temperature and also the floral content. Any gear pump will create shear in the fluid. Shear will breakdown viscosity of a thick fluid. Ultra filtered honey is bound to be thinner then its raw honey state.
 
#20 ·
The pumps that are used right now I would consider reasonable because they have been used for so long. They may not be what you want to pay for it. All of the food grade pumps that I have used are way beyond the price of a honey pump. You best bet is to try and find something used.

Maybe you can get lucky and find something used in the food industry like these.

http://www.watson-marlow.com/us-en/...btCRFw1VX1JReg-2YBXfaFKeRSqoTP1BOYaApll8P8HAQ
 
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