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    Default mite counts in tfb

    primer: for the sake of this thread, and if barry is ok with it, it's not against any 'rule' to mention any intervention or treatment.

    my interest in primarily toward understanding how beekeepers who avoid treatments deal with the varroa mite.

    we all understand the bond method, but i am guessing that not all treatment free beekeepers are bond beekeepers.*

    so, other than letting colonies just die out from varroa infestion, how do you who avoid treatments:

    1. ascertain mite levels
    2. decide on mite level that necessitates action
    3. decide on an action, and what is it?



    * if all treatment free beekeepers are bond beekeepers disregard this thread.
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

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    *In fact, not all of them are.
    Solomon Parker, Parker Farms, ParkerFarms.biz
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    Default Re: mite counts in tfb

    shewee, i was worried about that. i feel better now, thanks sol.
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

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    If you'd like me to explain the sort of actions one might take, the whys and why nots and whatnots, I can, but I'd rather leave it up to those who actually use those methods for now.
    Solomon Parker, Parker Farms, ParkerFarms.biz
    11 Years Treatment-Free, ~25 Colony Baseline

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    i would like anyone to feel free to chime in as they feel led to do so. i guess it would be more meaningful if folks are reporting real life experiences, but i don't mind the 'well, i was thinking i might try this.....' kind of post as well. at this point, i'm addicted to my laptop anyway, so it don't matter.
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

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    Quote Originally Posted by squarepeg View Post
    i'm addicted to my laptop anyway
    Oh yeah?
    Solomon Parker, Parker Farms, ParkerFarms.biz
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    Default Re: mite counts in tfb

    So, what is a "bond beekeeper"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedDave View Post
    So, what is a "bond beekeeper"?

    Dave
    James Bond as in live and let die. A Bond beekeeper does not do any mite treatment and if the hive is going to die he lets it. The theory is the strong survive and you breed from them. Actually I think there's another reason why the method got named the Bond method, but that's how most people remember it, live and let die.
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

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    Im trying out small cell, queens that were born after june 15th, with a brood break, adding some survival feral stock. Nothing new just following in the footsteps of some others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
    James Bond as in live and let die. A Bond beekeeper does not do any mite treatment and if the hive is going to die he lets it. The theory is the strong survive and you breed from them.
    Wow I didn't know there was a term for us, thanks!

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    Default Re: mite counts in tfb

    Quote Originally Posted by squarepeg View Post
    primer: for the sake of this thread, and if barry is ok with it, it's not against any 'rule' to mention any intervention or treatment.

    my interest in primarily toward understanding how beekeepers who avoid treatments deal with the varroa mite.

    we all understand the bond method, but i am guessing that not all treatment free beekeepers are bond beekeepers.*

    so, other than letting colonies just die out from varroa infestion, how do you who avoid treatments:

    1. ascertain mite levels
    2. decide on mite level that necessitates action
    3. decide on an action, and what is it?



    * if all treatment free beekeepers are bond beekeepers disregard this thread.
    Apparently those who don't treat don't do much or any mite counting. When I asked if anyone was interested in participating in Randy Oliver's Monthly Mite Count Study I got a resounding "NO!!". So, sp, good luck w/ your Thread.
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    Default Re: mite counts in tfb

    hmmm I buy from treatment free breeders, and never do mite counts nor treat for mites. Haven't lost a hive to mites since starting this method, going on 6-7 years now. I guess that makes me a Bond Beekeeper.
    Regards,
    Steven
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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenG View Post
    hmmm I buy from treatment free breeders, and never do mite counts nor treat for mites. Haven't lost a hive to mites since starting this method, going on 6-7 years now. I guess that makes me a Bond Beekeeper.
    Regards,
    Steven
    What have your losses been from?

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    Default Re: mite counts in tfb

    Mostly starvation late winter/early spring. Lost one hive to the small hive beetle. Lost a nuc to robbing. Had a newly hived swarm abscond.
    Regards,
    Steven
    "If all you have is a hammer, the whole world is a nail." - A.H. Maslow

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    Default Re: mite counts in tfb

    many thanks for the replys. i'm looking forward to joining the conversation, but the day job is holding me hostage.
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

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