New Hive, might be Queenless...

**bee_safe** · 11-17-2012, 05:27 PM

So I "rescued" a hive that had moved into a bird house at the end of September. They had built comb all around the outside of the birdhouse. I cut the comb free and moved everyone into a hive. Things seemed to be going great: comb building, new brood, lots of foraging, but then I opened them up last week after noticing a change in behavior. There were no signs of a queen. Most frames were full of honey and there were no signs of brood or eggs. I waited a week and checked again today, still no signs of eggs or brood, just honey.

I am fairly new to bee keeping. This is my second hive. Should I be worried? Is this normal fall behavior? Am I queenless??

I have another hive that is queen right and doing well.

What are my options at this point?? Any advice will be appreciated.

**jadell** · 11-17-2012, 08:42 PM

I would put in a frame of empty comb and check later. Maybe they're honey bound.

**Oldtimer** · 11-18-2012, 03:29 AM

Was the queen laying in it after you did the transfer? If so, when something happened to it they would have raised a new virgin which will prevent successful introduction of a purchased queen. So your options are to put a comb with eggs in and check 5 to 7 days later to see if there are queen cells. If there are, they have no queen of any kind, you can kill the queen cells and safely introduce a bought queen. If there are no queen cells they may have a virgin or laying woirkers. Come back here and ask & we cantalk you though what to do about that.

**beemandan** · 11-18-2012, 05:59 AM

No certain answers. You might be seeing a normal fall brood shutdown.
It may be that the hive's genetics are enough different from your second hive that one is still brooding and the other not.

Then, as OT pointed out, you may have a virgin or recently mated queen. Or...you may be queenless.

Regardless, it would be a good idea to follow his advice.

**bee_safe** · 11-18-2012, 07:55 AM

After I first put them in, I definitely saw one frame get laid and then develop brood. That frame is now full of honey. There isn't a laying worker, as there are no eggs or brood. I never saw any queen cells and there aren't any now. I also have a queen excluder on the bottom of the hive to help keep them there after the transfer.

If I introduce a frame and they raise a virgin queen, will she be able to find drones this late in the season? Are there still commercial queens available?

All advice is appreciated.

**jrbbees** · 11-18-2012, 08:02 AM

Putting in the frame of new eggs from another hive is your best diagnostic as oldtimer said. That will tell you what you need to do.

Then you can see if you CAN do what you need to do. If you can't consider a newpaper combine with the other hive to see them through winter. Then you can split them in the spring.

**beemandan** · 11-18-2012, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by bee_safe

If I introduce a frame and they raise a virgin queen, will she be able to find drones this late in the season? Are there still commercial queens available?

If there are still drones in your hive...then you might be able to assume that there are others in the neighborhood. She would also need some warm afternoons to make mating flights. I don't know enough about your climate to guess.

I might add that transporting a frame with eggs for half an hour has its own risks. The eggs and larvae may dry out. They may get chilled.

Also if you chose you might be able to get a queen from one of the Hawaiian producers. I believe they have them year round....but it might be a bit pricey.

Under the circumstances, were it mine, I'd just leave it as is. When spring arrives...if it is queenright it'll be ok...and if not, you can start again. Tinkering with your hives this late in the season places them both at risk.

Good luck.