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    Default Pollen Sub Formulations - Input?

    Outdoor bee work is winding down, so now it is time to get back to pollen sub...

    In talking with beekeepers, there seems to be a couple of primary parameters that are important. I am not sure how to rank the following, but price, consumption rate, and protein content seem to be towards the top of the list, so that is what I am focusing on. Below are a couple of formulations I have been working with. They are pretty similar, but one has a higher protein content than the other. Sugar is a great feeding stimulant, so the formula with the lower protein content has more sugar. It all depends on what is more important to the bees and the beekeeper at the time.

    I would appreciate any input, and if you like, mix some up and let me know what you think?

    Ingredient
    Sugar 33.0 pounds
    Water 27.0 pounds
    Brewers Yeast 18.0 pounds
    Soy Flour 18.0 pounds
    Corn Oil 2.5 pounds
    Latshaw Pre Mix 1.5 pounds
    Total 100 Pounds of Patties
    As Fed % Protein Approx. = 17.5%


    Ingredient
    Sugar 37.0 pounds
    Water 27.0 pounds
    Brewers Yeast 16.0 pounds
    Soy Flour 16.0 pounds
    Corn Oil 2.5 pounds
    Latshaw Pre Mix 1.5 pounds
    Total 100 Pounds of Patties
    As Fed % Protein Approx. = 15.5%


    Thanks,
    Joe
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    Default Re: Pollen Sub Formulations - Input?

    One question Joe, what are the protein content of the Brewers & Soy flour? and is there any other protein source? The same for your fat profile? is it just the Corn oil for your fats?
    Thanks, Keith
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    Default Re: Pollen Sub Formulations - Input?

    Keith,

    For the formula listed, the soy flour is 53% protein and the brewers yeast is 45%. They compliment each other well in terms of supplying a good protein source, but have some issues in terms of vitamins and minerals. The corn oil is one of the best sources for supplying the essential fatty acids and is readily available to beekeepers. Most essential fatty acid requirements for animal diets are satisfied by using approximately 1.75-2.5% oil. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe your diet uses a higher fat content. I think higher fat contents also helps with patty texture and consistency.

    Joe
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    Default Re: Pollen Sub Formulations - Input?

    Joe, if I'm reading you right the fat profile would be 1.75-2.5% is this correct ?
    Last edited by Keith Jarrett; 11-17-2012 at 01:37 PM. Reason: addingto post
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    Default Re: Pollen Sub Formulations - Input?

    Keith,

    Yes, that is an approximate range for diets. The formula I listed calls for 2.5 pounds which equals 2.5% when mixing the 100 pound batch of patties. Again this covers nutritional requirements, but some beekeepers use a higher percentage to get a soft patty consistency.

    Joe
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    Default Re: Pollen Sub Formulations - Input?

    Quote Originally Posted by JSL View Post
    Again this covers nutritional requirements,Joe
    Joe, I respectfully disagree.

    Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.
    Keith
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