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  1. #41
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    Default Re: 2012 Dieback Already?

    All the above mentioned.
    Good crop, lots of bees in the box at harvest & 2 weeks later some yards lost 80% & a yard up the road a few miles no problems.

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    wow.
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

  3. #43

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    Quote Originally Posted by soupcan View Post
    some yards lost 80%
    Dead bees? No bees? Brood?
    Good luck.
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  4. #44
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    Bees all gone with some leaving a small patch of brood.

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    still a mystery as to why some abscond like that. makes sense that they would have the trait to vacate a hive, for example, if the food became contaminated or something.
    Last edited by squarepeg; 11-11-2012 at 12:21 PM. Reason: sp
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

  6. #46

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    Quote Originally Posted by soupcan View Post
    Bees all gone with some leaving a small patch of brood.
    Zero bees...no queen? Please post the results when you get them......
    Dan www.boogerhillbee.com
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  7. #47
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    Mostly they were nearly zero bees left in the hive.
    Bee samples that were sent in were from 2 or 3 hives that had a very few young bees dead on the bottom boards.

  8. #48
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    That sounds familiar,
    curious to know your mite and nosema levels
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  9. #49
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    Soupcan, how was your late summer fall. How was the pollen & nector flow?
    NUTRA-BEE feed supplements

  10. #50
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    I thinks I sense a theme . . .
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  11. #51
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    good thread mark, thanks for starting it.
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

  12. #52

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    I thinks I sense a theme . . .
    I always presume that mites are one underlying factor but that's simply my opinion. What are you seeing?
    Dan www.boogerhillbee.com
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    Im not seeing anything this year. I have not seen a single Deformed wing Virus bee all year. My nosema levels are also well under control, so my testing suggests anyway,...
    I attribute my hives health to the Apivar treatment I used in the spring, did not need to treat in the fall also!

    But what I was getting at in my previous post was,
    small cluster,
    no bees,
    dry year in most area of North America,
    poor foraging
    inadequate mite control claimed by many southern producers
    levels of nosema

    it seems last time there was a break out of CCD symtoms , most if not all of these symtoms were present
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  14. #54

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    small cluster,
    no bees,
    dry year in most area of North America,
    poor foraging
    inadequate mite control claimed by many southern producers
    levels of nosema
    An ugly mix....no doubt about it.
    Dan www.boogerhillbee.com
    Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards

  15. #55
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    Great honey crop, huge clusters, record heat & drought, great foraging, & mite load all over the board for numbers from hive to hive & yard to yard!
    Problem is that one yard you loose 65 to 75% now & 4 to 5 miles up the road every one is fine & no loss.
    As far as fall flows they were great, all kinds of pollen & nectar.
    Some hives were so heavy they had very little room for medicated syrup.
    Record amounts of spray plane activity this summer here in row crop country. I was told when asking as to were all the planes have come from & was told the fly boys from the south have come up due to all the work here in the midwest.
    We may know more this week.
    The key word we are looking at this point is " fungicide "

  16. #56
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    same thing here. good crop, big hives, only a few blanks into mid sept then i would find them getting smaller and smaller and more and more hives gone, had 220 going into summer now have maybe 100 ok ones nothing big anymore. best hives are about the size of a bowling ball when clustered tight. and thats in a double. should be 2 basket balls in a double. moved them in earlier than normal and watched the dead bees pile up on the ground all around the hives. young looking bees crawling around dying not going home. i think its chemicals. systemics to be specific. dave hackenberg describes the same thing in a article i read. i treated for mites 3 times with 2 different products. from august to oct. its more than mites. they are being slowly poisoned. they say corn farmers are using the stuff like crazy now. and it stays in the ground. i think it has to be a major contributor. in 2006 when people started having the big losses we didnt see anything like that. we had mite troubles but no big die offs. now this year once the bees started going down no one could save them. not even you and your pollen sub keith!!! had to say it you brag the stuff up way to much on here. so i think now the chems are used wide spread by way more farmers and its taking its effects on the bees now.

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    >> i treated for mites 3 times with 2 different products. from august to oct.

    thats not easy on the hives either,
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    so your suggesting i screwed my bees up. i used formic in august and was not to impressed with how the bees reacted to it but they were still big hives a month after i hit them with the formic. i talked to a guy that used apigauard to the label 2 treatments in a 2 weeks and he still followed up with another treatment in oct. and he has the same story as me. bees looked good and then started to shrink way more then usual. ian you dont agree the farm chems could be a huge factor to our problems. do you have millions of acres of corn planted around you. if not maybe thats why your bees look good IAN.

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    no that was not what I was implying, sorry if it came across that way
    I figured when you said a few treatments you were implying formic, formic is hard on bees and queens especially having done consecutive treatments with it
    I do agree farm chemicals are being used, but I will not suggest they are the problem until we have actual science suggesting such,
    we do have corn planted all around my yards, and yes my yards do look okay to say for now.
    We have to be careful when we lay blame towards others who may not be the culprit to lay blame on. If it is actually farm chemicals that are causing all the problems, then I will join the movement against farmers using such but until then we had better start scraping up the proof so that the case can be made.

    Im using these chemicals also, as a farmer, and if these LABELED products get pulled off the shelf without just cause, the farmer just joins the list of casualties along side the beekeeper.

    My point was not implying your a bad beekeeper, my point was we need to look internally to find the problems also

    and again, sorry if you took my comment as such
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    mark, are your able to elaborate on the 'rumors' that prompted you to start this thread?
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