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    Default Bee Removals and Swarms - Some Start Up Questions??

    Hey All - Got a couple questions regarding bee removals. I am relatively new to keeping bees, but think I have found a new passion in my life, I love the bees and all they are about. My favorite YouTube channel is JPthebeeman, and have been inspired by his calm, coolness, and all around demeanor when he deals with bees. I really would like to start doing bee removals and swarm catching up here in MN. I want to compile a list of everything I might need to be successful at this. Obviously things like boxes, hive tools, sugar water, b-quick, a sharp knife, queen cage, empty frames, rubber bands, etc.....

    1)Has anyone used the plans for building the B-Vac? I think this must be an essential tool for removing hives? What are your thoughts?

    2) Contracts and Insurance?? I know from reading through posts here at bee source that a lot of you recommend using a contract and insurance. At what point do you think this becomes very important? I can see the importance of a contract, but until this were to become a successful gig, what is the insurance for - property damage, bodily harm, etc??

    I am sure I am missing quite a bit of things here, so that is why I posted, thanks in advance for all your help!!!!
    Last edited by Autonomy Acres; 11-10-2012 at 07:56 PM.
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    Default Re: Bee Removals and Swarms - Some Start Up Questions??

    A Bee Vac is an essential tool no doubt. They are as complicated or as easy to build as your imagination will allow.
    I have built a few, simple really.
    Contracts for sure AND a hold harmless clause in your contract in case anyone gets stung. IMO, insurance is not absolutely necessary due to the hold harmless clause. If you get hurt... it's on you.
    AGAIN IMO.

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    Default Re: Bee Removals and Swarms - Some Start Up Questions??

    Autonomy Acres.... Do a search on the search engine in the upper right of this page. (Advanced Search) Type in Tools for bee removal there are several threads there that will definately help you with your list.

    cchoganjr

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    Default Re: Bee Removals and Swarms - Some Start Up Questions??

    While you are searching, look on this forum for Mr Hogans posts on trapping. Or ask him directly, his email address is in this thread.
    http://www.beesource.com/forums/show...highlight=trap
    He is generous with information and is the guru of trapping. Knowledge is the best tool in any toolkit.
    Bill

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    Default Re: Bee Removals and Swarms - Some Start Up Questions??

    You will need a reciprocating saw with various types of blades, an oscillating tool with various tips including those for cutting sheetrock and wood. I didn't have a bee vac my first year but wish I had. I used one this past year. Researched several and settled on the Robovac. I, too, asked for plans to build one but got nowhere with that. Several suggested that all I need was "imagination" which was useless advice as I have none (which is why I had asked for plans to begin with). Others suggested using the "plans" on the robovac site but those 'plans' turned out to be very vague (to me) pictures. I finally paid the 100 clams or so and just bought one. You may want to save the time and aggravation for yourself and do the same. Just be aware that the robovac comes with minimal instructions. For instance, it said nothing about not painting the thing so I did. There is one part that slides into slots in another part. After painting, mine was so tight that it broke to pieces when I had to use a hammer to drive it back out. Wish I had been warned about that. Still, I think it is the best option for a bee vac. Other things you will need: buckets - several, including one for water to rinse your tools and hands, a good flashlight, lots of empty frames (I use deeps and mediums), frames for the vac box (I use PF's from MannLake for this, spritzed with sugar water), razor knife, drop cloth, ladders, extension cords, ratchet straps. I know I am leaving a lot of stuff out.

    Kudos to you for watching the JPthebeeman vids. By the time you have watched all his vids, you should be ready to strike out on your own - at least for some simple jobs.

    -js

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    Default Re: Bee Removals and Swarms - Some Start Up Questions??

    Set yourself up 3 or 4 ducks to start with, JP makes it look a lot easier than it is.

    When the calls start coming in just push back anything that looks tough untill you have some easy ones under your belt.

    Indoor removals are MESSY, recommend that you tag along with somebody experienced for a couple, they can go south on you in a hurry.

    Don

    Have 3 times the equipment you think you will need.

    I've found Michael Bush's panacea advice to be off great help with new cutout colonies.

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    Default Re: Bee Removals and Swarms - Some Start Up Questions??

    @Mr. Beeman - Do you have any design plans (different from the ones I linked to) for bee vacs? I like the idea of vacuuming right into a box with frames, is this how you do it? I will also look into different templates for bee removal contracts, and also familiarize myself with a "hold harmless clause" aspect of the contract.

    @ cchoganjr - Thanks for the advice and I will also be sending you an email ...

    @whiskers - Thanks! Knowledge is where it is at!!

    @Dixiebooks - Check on the reciprocating saw. Check on the "buckets - several, including one for water to rinse your tools and hands, a good flashlight, lots of empty frames (I use deeps and mediums), frames for the vac box (I use PF's from MannLake for this, spritzed with sugar water), razor knife, drop cloth, ladders, extension cords, ratchet straps" .... More research needed on the bee-vac! Thanks for the JP info...

    @D Semple - Sorry to be ignorant here, but what do you mean by "ducks"? I plan on starting small AND slow! I don't want to bite off more than I can chew, but at the same time, I only truly learn by doing, so I believe a little risk and luck will be involved!!
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    Default Re: Bee Removals and Swarms - Some Start Up Questions??

    I take D Semple's "ducks" and "easy ones" to be important. I quoted a job this year thinking that I'd help a friend gain another hive, but this one was in the roof of a third story house and they had a slate roof that they wern't repairing. Now I think they were in the soffet under the roof, but there's no way to know for sure because I didn't and don't have an infira red camera. An infira red camera (spelling?) will help you know exactly where the cluster is. It won't let you know the extent of the hive, but will give you a general idea. Now this one was a hard one for sure. I ended up not doing it. My first cut-out was in the banaster of a front porch. I didn't need any special tools (other than a pry-bar) and didn't have to repair anything. I state this up front that I'll get the bees out with as minimal of dammage as possible, and that it's up to them to repair. I would encourage having a bee vac, but I don't think it's a must have. As long as you have some bee go or bee quick or something like that. I did a cut out this year and didn't have either and I lost the bees. I got the comb and have a hive now due to the brood hatching out, but I didn't get the field bees or anything else. WHile I was getting the beevac (It took a couple days) they swarmed on me and left. A bee vac could have helped majorly, and bee quick definitely would have saved things.

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