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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by cg3 View Post
    Favorite quote of the day.
    I see you are encapsulated by Acebird's werds.
    Mark Berninghausen "That which works, persists."

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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    Yes, I find them... captivating.
    Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. -Frank Zappa

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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    Aside from foul brood I am very interested in the paraffin dip for weatherizing equipment, does it work well and is there a reasonable source for paraffin and microcrystalline wax?

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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    i believe this is mike bush's method of choice. more feasable if several (a club) go in together as a group.
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by Steves1967 View Post
    Aside from foul brood I am very interested in the paraffin dip for weatherizing equipment, does it work well and is there a reasonable source for paraffin and microcrystalline wax?

    http://www.bushfarms.com/beesdipping.htm

    2 parts beeswax (you can use paraffin) and 1 part gum rosin.





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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by Acebird View Post
    Assuming the wax penetration is deep enough the spores are still captivated.
    Quote Originally Posted by cg3 View Post
    Favorite quote of the day.
    I am captivated by this whole discussion!

    captivated past participle, past tense of cap·ti·vate

    Verb:
    Attract and hold the interest and attention of; charm.

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/captivated

    Quote Originally Posted by Acebird View Post
    I don't know why I try to educate you, sometimes I think it can't be done.
    This is what happened to this thread. Ace put on his scientist hat and decided to educate us.
    Quote Originally Posted by Acebird View Post
    This to me doesn't make scientific sense.

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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    Acebird....

    Are you still using lead paint on your hive




    BEE HAPPY Jim 134
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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    rader, what's the point? forgive me for saying so, but if are you trying to make yourself look good by making somebody else look bad, it's not working.
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    Sorry Brian, I thought you wrote that too and shook my head when I read it.
    There is obviously a joke here but I don't get it.

    Yes Jim I did say that. Are we thinking that not being able to guarantee sterilization is the same as not killing? They are not.

    Oh, I see it now it is the word "captivated". Yup, you are right Mark. Joke is on me.
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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    Thank you for the link Jim

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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    Ace,

    Irradiation is pretty absolute. 3/4" wooden ware isn't going to stop gama irradiation from penetrating everything. It is why it's effective. Not sure where you could get it done though and I imagine it isn't cheap.

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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    How about the nails,staples, metal brackets, handles, rails, process malfunctions etc. and human error? Yes very reliable but not absolute. Mistakes do happen and I am speaking of medical products not bee equipment.
    Brian Cardinal
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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by JRG13 View Post
    Ace,

    Irradiation is pretty absolute. 3/4" wooden ware isn't going to stop gama irradiation from penetrating everything. It is why it's effective. Not sure where you could get it done though and I imagine it isn't cheap.
    For me I will Irradiation about 60 Mi one way and about $15.00 a box.

    http://www.isomedix.com/Gamma/Locations.html

    I do not know if this is the only Co. in the USA that dose this or not


    BEE HAPPY Jim 134
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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim 134 View Post
    For me I will Irradiation about 60 Mi one way and about $15.00 a box.
    Is the 15 covering shipping and packing or just the irradiation fees?
    Brian Cardinal
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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    My boss sterlizes and preserves his boxes by boiling them in linseed oil and wax for 1 hour.

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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    i think you might have more confidence with this method that the scorching. maybe if you asked him nicely....
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by squarepeg View Post
    i think you might have more confidence with this method that the scorching. maybe if you asked him nicely....
    I have asked him, quite nicely in fact, but he figures that he would charge me $15-$20 per box after factoring in the oil, wax, propane, and labor. I can scorch for a lot cheaper than that, and I'm willing to risk it. I have also had assumed success doing it (scorching) in the past already, seeing I have bought smaller quantities of unused boxes from unknown sources, scorched them, and they've been in use a year or two and still are disease-free.

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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    yep, much more cost efficient to scorch. i did a couple this year with the 'flame thrower'.
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by westernbeekeeper View Post
    he figures that he would charge me $15-$20 per box after factoring in the oil, wax, propane, and labor. I can scorch for a lot cheaper than that,
    You can buy NEW for cheaper than that! Some boss.....
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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by westernbeekeeper View Post
    I have asked him, quite nicely in fact, but he figures that he would charge me $15-$20 per box after factoring in the oil, wax, propane, and labor.
    Sounds reasonable but if you are willing to take a chance why do anything?
    Brian Cardinal
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