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    Default Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    Hello all,
    I have come across a deal about an hour and a half away from me, where someone moved in to a property, and the lean-to shed had about 100 used deep hives bodies with frames and comb, all complete and in good condition. So, basically, he talked to me and said I could have them for free. I went through them and found no sign of foulbrood in what remaining comb there was, as mice have completely decimated most of the comb. So I'm thinking I will go and get all these supers, and I will pitch the comb and old Duragilt foundation, sterilize all frames and hive bodies, and then either keep them for expansion of my operation or sell them. There is a huge stack of telescoping covers and bottom boards that he said I may have also. What are your thoughts? How would you sterilize the boxes and frames? Thanks in advance.
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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    I'd sure use the boxes. If the frames had metal wedges driven in to secure the Duragilt they might be more trouble than they are worth to reuse. Considering a new wood frame is about the same price as the foundation I have never been too excited about putting a new foundation in an old frame. Give it a try with some and see how it goes.
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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    Thanks, Jim. It does have those metal strips along the sides, but I have tried just punching lots of the comb out, and it comes out easy as pie. No trouble at all. Like I mentioned, most of it is Duragilt, but there is several handfuls of crimp-wire. There is also a few wax moth cocoons.

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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    Chuck the frames. They are probably dried out and brittle anyway. Not worth using, when new are more likely what you want or like and not that expensive. Looking at the fact that the boxes didn't cost you anything you hav e saved quite a lot that you can use for frames and foundation.

    Scorch the boxes by standing 4 or 5 upside down on a bottom board. Place a sheet or two of newspaper on the bottom board. Dribble kerosene around on the inside walls of the stack of supers, wetting the newspaper. Light the newspaper from the part sticking out the entrance and stand back.

    This will create a chimney fire. It will roar and shoot flames up into the air above the boxes. Be mindful of the wind. Approaching from the side from which the wind is blowing carefully place a telescoping cover on top of the supers. This will dampen the fire, if the wood isn't burning too much.

    Knock the stake over w/ a shovel and rolol the supers around on the ground. The flames should go out. You could douse them w/ water.

    That's how I was taught to scorch supers exposed to AFB.

    A simpler and safer method, which may not be as effective, is to use a handheld torch, running it up and down the inside of each box, especially the inside corners. I doubt that you7 can get as good a heat as w/ the chimney. To be really effective one should be able to scrap charcoal off the inside of the boxes.

    Good luck.
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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by westernbeekeeper View Post
    Thanks, Jim. It does have those metal strips along the sides, but I have tried just punching lots of the comb out, and it comes out easy as pie. No trouble at all. Like I mentioned, most of it is Duragilt, but there is several handfuls of crimp-wire. There is also a few wax moth cocoons.
    Duracomb doesn't have the metal ribs on each side like Duragilt does. Both have the plastic between the wax. Either way, chuck it.
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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    how can you tell there is no sign of foulbrood in old combs?

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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    100 free deeps. A nice situation to find yourself in. Good advice here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    Chuck the frames. They are probably dried out and brittle anyway. Not worth using, when new are more likely what you want or like and not that expensive. Looking at the fact that the boxes didn't cost you anything you hav e saved quite a lot that you can use for frames and foundation.

    Scorch the boxes by standing 4 or 5 upside down on a bottom board. Place a sheet or two of newspaper on the bottom board. Dribble kerosene around on the inside walls of the stack of supers, wetting the newspaper. Light the newspaper from the part sticking out the entrance and stand back.

    This will create a chimney fire. It will roar and shoot flames up into the air above the boxes. Be mindful of the wind. Approaching from the side from which the wind is blowing carefully place a telescoping cover on top of the supers. This will dampen the fire, if the wood isn't burning too much.

    Knock the stake over w/ a shovel and rolol the supers around on the ground. The flames should go out. You could douse them w/ water.

    That's how I was taught to scorch supers exposed to AFB.

    A simpler and safer method, which may not be as effective, is to use a handheld torch, running it up and down the inside of each box, especially the inside corners. I doubt that you7 can get as good a heat as w/ the chimney. To be really effective one should be able to scrap charcoal off the inside of the boxes.

    Good luck.
    Sqkcrk, I have been taught how to do this too, except with gasoline instead of kerosene. I forgot about using that method as an option. That's my best bet so far. As far as the frames, or all of the equipment for that matter, they are in near new condition. No brittleness or dryrot, very structurally sound. I would have a hard time chucking the frames, since they are in good used shape, but I will still be thankful for the boxes even if I have to pitch the frames. It is free, after all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robndixie View Post
    how can you tell there is no sign of foulbrood in old combs?
    Rob: I have looked at boxes for sale with old comb with foulbrood. Sunken cappings, very small poor old brood pattern, dried out larvae flattened on the bottom of the cells, etc. Could be symptom of something else, though, I guess. But your never know for sure. I have bought a few boxes here and there that looked way worse than these, and after a safety sterilization, I put them to use. 2-3 years later, not a sign of disease in any of those (now active) hives. I used the old frames, too.

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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    A simpler and safer method, which may not be as effective, is to use a handheld torch, running it up and down the inside of each box, especially the inside corners. I doubt that you7 can get as good a heat as w/ the chimney. To be really effective one should be able to scrap charcoal off the inside of the boxes.
    That's what I have been doing for 2 years now, but the "chimney firing" method would be more effective. I will try that; can I use gasoline instead of kerosene?

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    Wow! At the price (free) I'd sterilize and take my chances, provided I could get bees cheap, too (splits, swarms, etc). My hive was built with old family equipment that had been in storage for 30+ years, and I didn't have many problems with the frames. Although, as sqkcrk pointed out, a few were brittle and warped. A few others had wax moth and wood boring insect damage that made them useless.

    I've sterilized boxes with a torch. It wasn't bad with six. One hundred would be a nightmare.

    Just my first-year beek $0.02.
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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    For the boxes, use one of those charcoal starting baskets and when the charcoal is good and hot, stack 5 or six boxes around it and place a metal cover on top of it all and let it cook. What you've done is create an oven that will kill any FB and it's easy.......
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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    I would dip the boxes in paraffin. They will last longer and the heat of liquid wax will kill every disease that could possibly be in the wood.

    http://www.queenrightcolonies.com/up...ofBeehives.pdf

    Go to page 14 of PDF.

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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by westernbeekeeper View Post
    That's what I have been doing for 2 years now, but the "chimney firing" method would be more effective. I will try that; can I use gasoline instead of kerosene?
    Sure you can, but it's more dangerous in my opinion.

    If the frames are as nice as you say, I'd clean them of comb and use as is. I don't know what you could reasonably do to sterilize them that wouldn't make them unusable.
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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    That's how I was taught to scorch supers exposed to AFB.
    Don't the boxes on the top get chared more than the one on the bottom?
    A simpler and safer method, which may not be as effective, is to use a handheld torch,
    The hand torch is a much hotter flame but sterility is based on time and temperature. If you take the time and carefully cover all the areas it will be effective.

    Using gasoline is foolish and may not be as effective as kero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RAK View Post
    I would dip the boxes in paraffin. They will last longer and the heat of liquid wax will kill every disease that could possibly be in the wood.
    Best option put forward..........if you've the equipment to do so.........
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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    The fire trick sounds interesting, but yikes

    If your not seeing scale in the brood comb, you are probably okay to use the boxes if not the comb itself.
    Bees fix up comb real fast.
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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    I use one of these puppies to sterilize old boxes and pallets. This thing is a flamethrower. Don't bother trying to use a little propane bottle torch. Will take forever .

    http://www.amazon.com/Red-Dragon-VT-...d+burner+torch

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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by westernbeekeeper View Post
    ... can I use gasoline instead of kerosene?
    Do you remember the thread where you wanted feedback on your business plan? Where various posters brought up the issue of health insurance? And as I recall you don't have any?

    I didn't see any line item in that business plan for "plastic surgery" to attempt to undo an accidental 3rd degree burn. If you're going to run without insurance, you need to think about the "worst case" options and the best way to avoid that scenario.

    Kerosene is low risk compared to gasoline.
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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    Is there any research on UV killing AFB spores? I would think it would be easy to get a bulb for a UV sterilizer and hang it in a stack of 5-10 boxes and walk away for 30 minutes or so.

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    Default Re: Have access to 100 deeps with frames; need your thoughts

    What kind of temperature does it take to kill afb and similar diseases?

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