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    Default Can brood be kept in an incubator or will the die.

    Can I keep brood in an incubator after they are capped and emerge without other workers present and live, or do they need to be cared for afterwords?

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    Default Re: Can brood be kept in an incubator or will the die.

    They will need to eat soon after emerging.

    Why would you want to do that?
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    Default Re: Can brood be kept in an incubator or will the die.

    I am thinking of trying to find out how a new generation of bees act and behave without the influance of older bees. Don't know if I will try or not but it is a idea I have though about.

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    Default Re: Can brood be kept in an incubator or will the die.

    The humidity needs to be kept at 50 percent also.
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    Default Re: Can brood be kept in an incubator or will the die.

    It will be interesting to see how they fare without microbial inoculation from the older bees.

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    Default Re: Can brood be kept in an incubator or will the die.

    If you wanted microbial isolation, you would have to sterilize a cell and put a clean egg in it. The young have been feed by adult bees for several days before they enter the pupal capped brood stage. By that time, they have been exposed to anything the colony has.

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    Default Re: Can brood be kept in an incubator or will the die.

    Sounds like an interesting experiment. It may be difficult to find brood with no open larvae. But I suppose a small percentage of decomposing larvae shouldn't affect anything.
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    I am not sure how much microbial isolation you will end up with. I have seen from at least one source that the bees is fed in the process of emerging in order to have the energy to emerge. I have also read that the bees in the colony may assist in removing the cap from the cell.
    In all you might learn what the successful emergence rate might be for unassisted bees. Maybe some things about how emergent bees behave when the are exposed to an abandoned hive.
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    Default Re: Can brood be kept in an incubator or will the die.

    I'm not saying not to do this, it could be educational, but, taking a segment out of the cycle of the colony life will, I predict, end up w/ dying bees, w/out the nurse bees to take care of the emerging bees. All being part of the whole. That's what I am thinking.

    If you do what you are asking about I would really like to know the results.

    Have you done any kind of research to find out if someone has already done this? It sorta seems like a Masters Thesis Study, perhaps.
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    Default Re: Can brood be kept in an incubator or will the die.

    Quote Originally Posted by jdmidwest View Post
    If you wanted microbial isolation, you would have to sterilize a cell and put a clean egg in it. The young have been feed by adult bees for several days before they enter the pupal capped brood stage. By that time, they have been exposed to anything the colony has.
    Yes, the larvae are fed before they pupate - also before pupation they shed their stomach and all of it's contents, including microbes. Emerging bees are sterile and acquire their microbial cultures through the chewing out of cells and mostly, through being fed by adults and, I suspect, cleaning poop in the hive.

    I'm not talking about "pathogens", rather the gut microbes and honey stomach microbes they need to process and assimilate their food, among other things.

    Without adult bees to pass on these complex, microbial cultures, I'm not sure they will fare very well.

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    Default Re: Can brood be kept in an incubator or will the die.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramona View Post

    Without adult bees to pass on these complex, microbial cultures, I'm not sure they will fare very well.

    Ramona
    Though unable to express it as well as Ramona, that would be my concern too. Well writ Ramona.
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    Default Re: Can brood be kept in an incubator or will the die.

    Maybe this is more of a "what else can you use an incubator for" question than on topic but;
    Has anyone used an incubator as a queen introduction method for the very timid or that breeder queen? Would a very few house bees on a capped frame safely start a mated queen in an incubator? It would have almost or no foragers and in a few days bees who never knew another queen. Bees would be re leaved of temp-control and guard duty. Kind of a safe haven mini hive introduction until fully accepted. My thought last spring, never built the incubator though.

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    Default Re: Can brood be kept in an incubator or will the die.

    You read my mind that will be my nexy step if this first step goes well.

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    Default Re: Can brood be kept in an incubator or will the die.

    Aren't there more simple methods of queen introduction?
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    Default Re: Can brood be kept in an incubator or will the die.

    Quote Originally Posted by jim lyon View Post
    Sounds like an interesting experiment. It may be difficult to find brood with no open larvae. But I suppose a small percentage of decomposing larvae shouldn't affect anything.
    couldnt you just wash the cells with warm water to kill the open larve and wash them out.

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    Default Re: Can brood be kept in an incubator or will the die.

    Yes Mark there are, some of us just have to much time and to many "what ifs"

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    Default Re: Can brood be kept in an incubator or will the die.

    I see. Me too.
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    Default Re: Can brood be kept in an incubator or will the die.

    I discovered the answer to this question on the Glenn Apiaries site they use an incubator to hatch brood with no workers present, as a method of avoiding tracheal mites. Check this out here is the URL http://www.glenn-apiaries.com/cagefiller.html

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