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    Default Cedar Boards, Rough or Smooth Side Out?

    I am going to make some brood boxes this winter and decided to experiment with wood other than pine. I am going to make a few cedar, catalpa, and maybe sassafras boxes and seal them with exterior water base polyurethane to let the wood grains show.

    The cedar I have is planed 3 sides and rough on one side. Since I have already had a problem with moths, I hope the cedar will help with that. I am building stands and bottoms out of the cedar and going to try a cedar cover. While observing bees landing on the hive, I noticed that slick surfaces cause them to lose their grip and slide off the box. I was thinking rough side out for everything to give them a good gripping surface. But it would look better smooth side out. What will they do with the rough side on the inside? Will I have more problems with bur comb and other stuff if I put the rough side in?

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    Default Re: Cedar Boards, Rough or Smooth Side Out?

    Make sure it is tight grained heavy cedar. I made western covers out of pallet wood cedar that shrinks and expands so much that it will not hold paint, t&g joints opened up by a much as 3/8", and some rotted and grew fungus's in two years.

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    Default Re: Cedar Boards, Rough or Smooth Side Out?

    According to Spivak, rough side in...so they propolise more.

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    Default Re: Cedar Boards, Rough or Smooth Side Out?

    Cedar is stained not painted. Cedar as well as redwood and teak has natural oils that will not allow paint to stick for long.

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    Default Re: Cedar Boards, Rough or Smooth Side Out?

    My operation is all cedar with rough side out. Paint holds very well.

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    Default Re: Cedar Boards, Rough or Smooth Side Out?

    Really makes no difference to the bees, so put it the way you want it. Rough side out might be a bit more difficult to paint, but hardly impossible.

    I see the same problem with semigloss paints, I'll probably stick to matte in the future if available, but I tend to haunt the "oops" shelf for paint and will take whatever is there and not too obnoxious. Mauve and pink seemed to be the colors everyone returned this year.

    Peter

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    Default Re: Cedar Boards, Rough or Smooth Side Out?

    "....Really makes no difference to the bees, so put it the way you want it..."
    Won't make any difference to the moths,either.
    Good Luck, Mike
    "Wine is a constant proof that God loves us and loves to see us happy" Ben Franklin

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    Default Re: Cedar Boards, Rough or Smooth Side Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by psfred View Post
    Rough side out might be a bit more difficult to paint, but hardly impossible.


    Peter
    Peter, I did not notice a difference.

    Same painting as usual. The reason why one side is rough is basically for housing trims, other exterior applications and paint sticks much better. It's not rough like typical pine from a saw mill. Its rough because it went through a machine with a roughing head which gives a uniform roughness or simply cut with a nice blade. Cedar is soft and comes out nicely from a saw mill but most likely the wood was roughened uniformly giving it a rough texture which is easy to paint.... How do I know this? I am in the middle of Cedar country where wood is 30 cents direct from manufacture. I will never again build hives with a smooth exterior. The paint really does stick to the rough texture.

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