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    Default Re: treatment free beekeeping - the risks

    like i said serg, less than a handful know to man, and mostly found in these relatively rare clinical settings. they are definitely a serious problem. the truth is that there are just not many of them, and they are not widespread.

    part of the training that professionals who are licensed to use antibiotics includes how to avoid such pitfalls. so far we have seemed to outsmart the pathogens overall, but it is an ongoing challange.
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    serg, i hope wlc chimes in, because it turns out (i think) that researchers have figured out how to get natural immunity to ipv by feeding (i think) transpose rna to the bees.

    you could do a search on 'beelogics' and read about it.
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    b-e-e-O-l-o-g-i-c-s

    Better spell it correctly if you are going to search for it. Though maybe the search would correct the spelling for you.
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    Default Re: treatment free beekeeping - the risks

    mark, i know i miss posts sometimes because i use 'what's new' alot. did you see my post #331. i tried to show how it might work in the real world.
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    Yes, see Post #333. My Reply.
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    apologies mark, i missed that one! and you are spot on about the lab test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenG View Post
    sorry Mark, I don't think cerezha caught your saracasm.
    What you expect from ESL?
    Серёжа, Sergey

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    Quote Originally Posted by squarepeg View Post
    'lost in translation' happens in the cyber world too, even to among the unilingual.
    it is happening with me all the time!
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    Quote Originally Posted by squarepeg View Post
    apologies mark, i missed that one! and you are spot on about the lab test.
    I should have warned you.
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    its ahhhright. good thread, thanks again ya'll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    b-e-e-O-l-o-g-i-c-s....
    Well
    Based on what is on the WEB-site, they are trying to use small RNA to neutralize the virus. It does not create immunity etc. It would help (if any) as long as one feed "medicine" to the bees. Stop feeding - no more protection to the bees. Very smart commercial solution for couple of reasons:
    - sounded very 'green"...
    - requires constant use of "medicine";
    - RNA is expensive to make, so "medicine" would be expensive too... if I am correct
    - RNA is not stable in the solution, so it would require "replenishing"...

    The bottom line - very typical Monsanto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by squarepeg View Post
    serg, i hope wlc chimes in, because it turns out (i think) that researchers have figured out how to get natural immunity to ipv by feeding (i think) transpose rna to the bees.
    see my comment below (or above?) - it does not create immunity...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    ... It was pointed at Sergey...
    Sure and I happily grab it!
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    And I appreciate it.
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    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

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    Sergy, understand the ESL situation, that was my guess. And appreciate the information and knowledge you bring to the discussion.
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    esl? someone help me out here.
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    esl, English as Second Language
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    10-4 (acknowledged, affirmative)
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    There is a fellow by the name of John Kefuss in France that has a system for breeding your own resistant bees. It starts with the instruction to take the first 500 hives and ->. He is successful at what he does.
    If you only have a hive or two you don't have a snowballs chance in Hell of raising resistant bees.
    Another way of looking at it is this. Your young child has Appendicitis so you sit back and say "Don't Operate!" because the child might live and go on to produce children that don't get sick.

    I don't believe in commercial pesticides of any kind. They create bees that are incapable of surviving and bugs that become resistant. Then you have week bees and strong bugs in an endless cycle.
    If you cannot accept personal responsibility for those in your care, then get the ** out of the hobby. You can paint the inside of the boxes to keep SHB out, smoke the hive with Grapefruit leaves to keep the mites down and feed the bees to keep them fat and healthy.

    Just my opinion, I don't mean to address any on in particular.
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