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    Default Spin Float Seperators

    Im looking to buy one of these machines,

    Is there a difference in performance between the old spinners and the new spinners ?

    does this machine take alot to run it? What I mean is, can you start it in the morning, and run it all day without baby sitting? What usually causes trouble?

    Thanks

    Ian
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    Default Re: Spin Float Seperators

    I can only speak of the machine from the 60's. There was about 2 minutes of start up attention, maybe 10 minutes at the end of the day, with only the need to "babysit" the barrel of cappings below when it filled up. It did an adequate job of separating the honey, but was NOISY. There was a slight heat exchanger needed to prevent crystallization in the drum. Be aware that an unattended power failure is a real mess.

    Crazy Roland

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    Default Re: Spin Float Seperators

    Right I hear about the unattended power failure messes from everyone. Is that because the pump doesnt stop when the spinner kicks out? How much honey does the spinner run in the barrel?

    How do you finish off with it? Whats involved? Does it require a 10 min job when breaking for coffee or lunch or some other interruption throughout the work day?

    thx
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    The cappings are held in by centrifugal force and if they dont have enough time to spin out they simply fall out if the power stops. I have been around them some and know a little about them but feel like one of the few commercials that have never operated one. We use a Cowen spinner and after our experience with their latest model this year I am thinking a lot like you are at the moment. When the Cowen is operated properly it gets cappings much dryer and rarely aerates the honey but because only about 1/3 of the honey goes through it our tanks really get loaded with wax particularly on a year with such low moisture honey.
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    ya, Im trying to cut my work load down in the day by not having the chore of skimming tanks and sumps. I dont have a Cowen spinner but a spinner all the same, and it works, cheaply but clean honey in the tank is like a dream to me.

    soooo, I suckered you into this conversation nicely,

    With all you experience with the spin float, why is it that you do not have one yourself?
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    And whats up with Cowens latest spinner? Thought they were trouble free,
    or is it the dry honey your referring to from this years unusually dry honey harvest.
    I had a below average crop due to dryness, but not bad considering. Not once did I ever think of having moisture issues throughout the pulls
    dry dry air this year
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    My experience pretty much consists of seeing quite a number of them in operation in others' extracting rooms and talking to the folks that use them. Why don't I use them? I have asked myself that a lot this year. I guess I know with the Cowen I can get my cappings dryer, I have an extracting room designed for it and I am familiar with it. The C&B requires a heat exchanger, an extra pump, and a different style of auger it all adds up to over $30,000 compared with around $9,000 for a Cowen system that I am familiar with. We purchased our first Cowen spinner in the late 1980's and it served us real well for many years. Last year it's age began showing as we had a couple major incidents where things got bent up pretty badly and Cowen offered me a real good trade in for a new one. Unfortunately the new one has had some problems from start up that we had to deal with, once we got things working properly we discovered that the construction isn't as "beefy" as the old one and that it cant tolerate even mild imbalances without gyrating badly. It can usually handle extracting at the rate of about a ton an hour but requires a pretty vigilant eye. This season was a real challenge for it because we were running a lot of honey in the sub 16% range and that made it an even bigger challenge. Add to that all the tank skimmings and you get the picture. I think Cowens are great people and generally build real nice stuff but it dosent appear to me that they have really made an attempt to compete with the C&B. My guess is that they have their plate full with their extractors and other misc. equipment which they do so well that they have decided to stay away from directly competing with C&B's patented system.
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    Purchased the maxant this year. I have run the cook and beals in Florida the past few years. Did a great job. Only problem I have with it is you need the temperature of gthe honey at 102 and a little higher if dry to keep the air out. Since I. Bottle everything foggy honey is a issue...it is easy to run and use. I purchassed the maxan tbecause it is smaller and takes up less room. My honey extracting room was designed for a 44 frame Hubbard when I had 150 vpnies and was buying three semi loafs to bottle. So space is a issue. Also I didn't need to buy a heat exchanger shock is 6k or more. Down side is since its smaller around it is easier to get out of balance at start up.haven't used it much yet as it took me 3 times as long to make my room larger move electric and plumbing install drain under system fill pit and move drain then install a 60 frame cowen. End result is I have about 1200 boxes on the bees and another 600 I just pulled. I have used once...must start up at about 60 percent speed with a small stream at constant flow until it is full with honey coming out. Then speed up and let her go. Easy to operate u just have a learning curve. U
    You must have a sump or tank for the honey to run into and pump it out to your tanks. So far honey is not foggy. And is ready to bottle. And yes if electric goes off hit dump valves. Best situation would be a two floor building with honey running down below. Will finish pulling this week...in two more weeks I should be well experienced. Both companies build great equipment.

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    Keep us posted suttonbeeman
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    Default Re: Spin Float Seperators

    I realize this is wandering off topic, but does anyone know if the spinfloat style separators remove ant pollen? It is important in light if the lawsuits in Florida and California over honey that has been ultra filtered. I can see the defense claiming that "Everyone" removes some pollen with a spinfloat type device.

    Crazy Roland

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    Default Re: Spin Float Seperators

    Quote Originally Posted by suttonbeeman View Post
    Purchased the maxant this year. ......in two more weeks I should be well experienced. Both companies build great equipment.
    Can you give us an update on this unit?
    Last edited by JohnK and Sheri; 11-07-2012 at 02:32 PM. Reason: excessive quote

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    Could you give us an update? How did the Maxant work?

    Quote Originally Posted by suttonbeeman View Post
    Purchased the maxant this year. I have run the cook and beals in Florida the past few years. Did a great job. Only problem I have with it is you need the temperature of gthe honey at 102 and a little higher if dry to keep the air out. Since I. Bottle everything foggy honey is a issue...it is easy to run and use. I purchassed the maxan tbecause it is smaller and takes up less room. My honey extracting room was designed for a 44 frame Hubbard when I had 150 vpnies and was buying three semi loafs to bottle. So space is a issue. Also I didn't need to buy a heat exchanger shock is 6k or more. Down side is since its smaller around it is easier to get out of balance at start up.haven't used it much yet as it took me 3 times as long to make my room larger move electric and plumbing install drain under system fill pit and move drain then install a 60 frame cowen. End result is I have about 1200 boxes on the bees and another 600 I just pulled. I have used once...must start up at about 60 percent speed with a small stream at constant flow until it is full with honey coming out. Then speed up and let her go. Easy to operate u just have a learning curve. U
    You must have a sump or tank for the honey to run into and pump it out to your tanks. So far honey is not foggy. And is ready to bottle. And yes if electric goes off hit dump valves. Best situation would be a two floor building with honey running down below. Will finish pulling this week...in two more weeks I should be well experienced. Both companies build great equipment.

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    Well I can say the maxant is definitely worth its weight in gold. Maxant does need a veido to help you learn how quicker. A fellow been in NY was of great help to me . Just gotta fine tune it. Start with pencil size stream at 60% speed. Honey I was running with was about 80 deg. When honey starts to come out outlet move cutter knives to about 25 percent cutting. (25% over from none). Speed up spinner to wide open...mine vibrates a little over 80 % so I'm running it there...need to figure that out. At end of day let machine run 15 minutes then cut wax by moving lever one notch at time all the was over AFTER closing to 55 %. Once wax is cut I slow spinner to 30% and open dump valves slowly then speed to 60 % to 80%. . Let run about 5 minutes and turn off. I turn water on knives when it starts cutting wax...turn off 30 minutes before shutdown. If you leave water on ...well its a mess...got watery honey so don't forget! Wax is dry ad powder...awesome

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    Default Re: Spin Float Seperators

    The C&B I have is 40 years old I have rebuilt once. On a good day we can run 22 barrels. This year was the worst in 40 years ran 22 barrels all year. Make sure knives are sharp and the heat exchanger is up to temp and run! It cuts wax all day. The capping are put straight into the wax melter to melt the next day. I check through out the day to make sure the cappings are dry and adjust the knives accordingly. If the honey temp is right and RPM on the is correct not much air in the honey. I run the water only when the knives are cutting. All the honey and cappings goes through spinner i have a sump for the honey and cappings then to a 2" moyno pump to the heat exchanger to the spinner. finnished honey to a small sump to the holding tank. I clean spinner every day.

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    Default Re: Spin Float Seperators

    do you pull the drum every day?
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    Quote Originally Posted by suttonbeeman View Post
    Well I can say the maxant is definitely worth its weight in gold. Maxant does need a veido to help you learn how quicker. A fellow been in NY was of great help to me . Just gotta fine tune it. Start with pencil size stream at 60% speed. Honey I was running with was about 80 deg. When honey starts to come out outlet move cutter knives to about 25 percent cutting. (25% over from none). Speed up spinner to wide open...mine vibrates a little over 80 % so I'm running it there...need to figure that out. At end of day let machine run 15 minutes then cut wax by moving lever one notch at time all the was over AFTER closing to 55 %. Once wax is cut I slow spinner to 30% and open dump valves slowly then speed to 60 % to 80%. . Let run about 5 minutes and turn off. I turn water on knives when it starts cutting wax...turn off 30 minutes before shutdown. If you leave water on ...well its a mess...got watery honey so don't forget! Wax is dry ad powder...awesome
    What were you putting through for volume in a day?

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