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    Default Hooking Up (Bow chica bow bow)

    OK all you long time beeks.....

    How do newly flighted drones know where the local DCA is when they leave the hive "looking for love"...and better yet how do newly flighted queens out on a mating flight have any clue where to go to "hook up" with those studly drones?

    Sitting here drinking my coffee looking at a hive that is apparently going to supersede for the second time this season (Packages from foreign parts...never again) and thinking bee porn thoughts....can almost hear the cheezy 70's porno music playing in the DCA to set the mood :-)
    "Changes in Latitudes....Changes in Attitudes" Are Bees in the FL Keys more laid back? Only time will tell!!!

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    Default Re: Hooking Up (Bow chica bow bow)

    I have no idea or response to your question, but your post made me snort coffee out of my nose! Thanks!

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    Default Re: Hooking Up (Bow chica bow bow)

    You must have some Baileys Irish creme in that coffee this morning.

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    Default Re: Hooking Up (Bow chica bow bow)

    The scent of successful males draws more males to an area. The sent of horny males draws the females. It is all about pheromones in the bee world. Those invisible trail left wafting by the bees

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    I think they are born programed to search out certain topographical features that make for easy navigation and flying while waiting for queens to arrive. After the first drones arrive the others will follow their pheromones as Tenbears said.
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    Yes. I think the best analogy is if you ever walked (or watched) a male dog. He stops and marks everything that is standing up out of the ground. Even a brand new fire hydrant that has never been marked and has no smell will be marked by the first dog to pass by.

    I think, however, that if you look at what really goes on in real world apiaries (and look at the work Dr. Loper did with tracking drones with radar), is that queens tend to get mated in the flyways between the apiary and the DCA...the drones are flying out to the DCA and then back to hives to rest/refuel.
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    Default Re: Hooking Up (Bow chica bow bow)

    I think they read "creative loafing"

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    Default Re: Hooking Up (Bow chica bow bow)

    Quote Originally Posted by jly500 View Post
    You must have some Baileys Irish creme in that coffee this morning.
    St. Brendans is just as good but cheaper.

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    Default Re: Hooking Up (Bow chica bow bow)

    A study I read said that drones ignored queens when they were outside the boundary of the DCA, but would give chase when they reentered the DCA. That is the problem with studies, they give information about what particular strains of bees did at a particular time and place, and sometimes that is not what we see in the areas where we keep our bees. I don't really believe a study until it has been repeated with the same results.
    38 years - 25 colonies, 32 Nucs - IPM disciple - Naturally Skeptic

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    Default Re: Hooking Up (Bow chica bow bow)

    Drones don't have such big eyes in order to smell better.
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    Default Re: Hooking Up (Bow chica bow bow)

    Yes, good eye-sight is a necessity when flying in the drone comet as a misidentification of the queen would be a terrible embarrassment.
    38 years - 25 colonies, 32 Nucs - IPM disciple - Naturally Skeptic

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    Default Re: Hooking Up (Bow chica bow bow)

    Take a cue tip and dab queen pheromones on it place it under a net and raise it into the air with a helium filled balloon in a DCA. When you retrieve it the net will contain 10 to 20 drones. Do the sane without the pheromone on the cue tip. You will not get a single drone... WHY? surely they could see it!
    We have a great DCA at our ball field. Which is on a hilltop. As is another DCA I know of, so I suspect hilltops have a bearing in a DCA. But that is another matter. I take the scouts there to demonstrate a drone congregation area and the impact of chemical communication. The practice proves out 100% of the time. This experiment does not work in random areas, I have tried it at numerous locations with no success at all. Maybe I have not hit a travel corridor. or maybe the ball field is one? who knows? The thing about theories or facts is they are most generally accepted if they confirm what one already believes.

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    Default Re: Hooking Up (Bow chica bow bow)

    Of course pheromones are important...but if you try the same experiment with drones that are blinded or visually restricted, I bet they wouldn't be able to find the DCA or the queen.

    The work by Dr. Loper et al is more than impressive...assuming the bees aren't affected much by radar (there seems to be no indication that they are), they were able to nearly eliminate the 'observer effect', and merely observe. The work is top notch, and does not rely on looking for drones in 'random areas'.

    JW posted some of this last year in these two posts.
    http://www.beesource.com/forums/show...28#post1175728
    http://www.beesource.com/forums/show...29#post1175729

    ...mostly, however, one needs only look at what beekeepers actually do who are trying to breed bees. 'In theory' the queen yard _should_ be surrounded by drone yards a mile or 2 away (if the theory is that the queen has to get to a DCA before mating can occur)...in practice, most put their drone colonies and mating nucs in the same yard.

    Also, some of Ashley Mortinson's work relates to who is in what DCA relative to what kind of bee.
    http://entnemdept.ufl.edu/honeybee/e...to_January.pdf
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    Default Re: Hooking Up (Bow chica bow bow)

    Quote Originally Posted by deknow View Post
    .in practice, most put their drone colonies and mating nucs in the same yard.
    If the drone colonies were not related to the virgins wouldn't that qualify as a DCA area? The negative that I foresee with this practice is that weak queens would get mated where otherwise in a natural setting they wouldn't. It might explain why many packaged queens get superceded.
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    Default Re: Hooking Up (Bow chica bow bow)

    my drones have no trouble finding her and I always get a 100% return https://www.facebook.com/Q8pirate/vi...6927719666108/

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    Default Re: Hooking Up (Bow chica bow bow)

    >Take a cue tip and dab queen pheromones on it place it under a net and raise it into the air with a helium filled balloon in a DCA. When you retrieve it the net will contain 10 to 20 drones.

    There is a you tube video showing something similar.

    Anyone ever given a virgin a ride in a balloon?

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    Default Re: Hooking Up (Bow chica bow bow)

    how does a dog runs off and finds a ***** in heat a couple miles away? No difference to me.

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    Default Re: Hooking Up (Bow chica bow bow)

    .....then it is a good thing you are not a bee!
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    Default Re: Hooking Up (Bow chica bow bow)

    >A study I read said that drones ignored queens when they were outside the boundary of the DCA, but would give chase when they reentered the DCA.

    When we put some "queen juice" on a cigarette filter in a queen cage on a helium balloon we were getting a drone comet in the flyway. There were thousands of them giving chase. I don't think the drones have any such set of rules...
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Default Re: Hooking Up (Bow chica bow bow)

    ....it's just like Game of Drones!
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