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    Okay so we opened up some of our hives only to see absolutely no brood. There are thousands of bees in the hives but absolutely no fresh brood and no capped brood either. Have we lost all of the queens in the three hives we have checked. Is this normal. Or have we missed something that we should have known before hand. If necessary do I need to find new queens, about a month and a half ago all of these hives were normal and had a good brood pattern.

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    Default Re: need advice`

    Sometimes the queen stops laying when there is no nectar coming in. Feed and check in 3 days.
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    Am adding to what "Ozone" wrote. It also depends a little on the race of the queens. Carniolans seem to shut down much more readily and quickly than other queens. At least,mine do. OMTCW

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    Our queens were supposed to be Italian but could have been carnolians as they are also bred in beeyard that supplied our bees, when they shut down does all brood production stop? and can they survive that long without any new brood.

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    ummm, it's almost winter time??

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    Hate to answer a question with more questions, But instead of abstaining will deviate in your case.
    Your indications are highly irregular for TN. You should have a full deep of brood at this time - building a full deep through Sept. and recycling that volume once in early Oct. Then, reducing brood to close-out about Nov 1. Your bees are in deep trouble on raising the young bees for wintering.

    Are the three colonies you inspected the only 3 at the location? Sometimes field forage will cause similar indications on multiple hives.

    Are all 3 at the same age? There are differences in objectives/activities/timing for the first 3 years of colony life.

    You report no brood of any kind. Is the brood nest filling with nectar? (An indication of hopelessly queenless.)

    We think supersedure is unlikely. No capped drone brood is only about a week short of having a laying SS queen and they would all 3 have to have opted to SS within that one-week period.

    A little help on status, Please.

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    If in fact the queens shut down, certainly they will restart brood rearing when they feel it is necessary. It is for their own survival that they "shut down". They are saving resources. OMTCW

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    Regina,

    Did you look for eggs? And you didn't check them for six weeks since last inspection? It's kind of a long reference point to go from. How are you mite levels also? Give them a week and check again, you may find young larvae if you had eggs. How were stores and if there is no brood, what is in the frames? What are you day and night temperatures as well and what's blooming?

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    Any chance you treated for mites recently?
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    I treated for mites with Apiguard and during that time there was no laying of eggs at all in either hive. After a week of removing the medication early, there are some eggs back in the frames. Not sure though if they will get back up to speed by the time necessary for winter. juzzerbee

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