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    Default Really raw honey aggravation

    Hello,

    Just wanted to share a pet peeve of mine. I sell raw on heated unfiltered honey. This year I made enough to sell it to local health food stores. Yesterday I made a sales pitch yesterday where the store owner was really excited about the honey. Today I brought it in-- a case of 24 queenline jars only to be met with a tepid "oh thats raw honey really?...It doesnt look like the raw honey on the internet.....?"

    I then had to explain for 15 minutes about how the honey is in fact raw but recently extracted and so it is still pretty clear. This company Really Raw honey makes claims on their website (which is one of the first one that comes up for raw honey that: raw honey is supposed to be smooth creamy and spreadable with wax chunks it"

    I told the store owner that what they were selling was more of a creamed honey, and that if mine sat around for untold months that it would crystallize up too, and that many customers don't even like the consistency of creamed honey (in my experience anyway). Also, I could have been lazy and not even strained it, so that there were big chunks of wax and bee carcasses in there which doesn't sell either.

    Anyone else have to deal with this nonsense? I left annoyed as the store owner implied by her questioning that I was somehow offering fake raw honey--she asked me several times if I heated it---which I never do. She bought it but still I don't need to be interrogated.
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    If the manager would read some of the postings at beesource telling how people heat honey in the sun (sink, what else?) or use commercial foundation for honeycomb production... or how many "beekeepers" have no their own honey and sell somebody else, sometime of unknown origin... As a responsible manager, she must be careful. I think, it is good, that she is responsible - quality control! I personally do not sell honey. I distribute it as a gift between my friends. I claim that my honey is " 102% natural organic ". 2% is for bees parts and other organic material naturally occurred in the honey.Sergey

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    >>cerezha; .... or use commercial foundation for honeycomb production... I personally do not sell honey.

    Well that figures. And would you tell that store owner not to buy comb honey that was made with foundation? And only buy honey with bee legs and wax bits? Seems like the poster is doing a great job presenting a clean product without heating. Is there something wrong with that?

    The only truly raw honey is comb honey. When was the last time you saw a bee leg or propolis bit inside comb honey?

    >>I distribute it as a gift between my friends. I claim that my honey is " 102% natural organic ". 2% is for bees parts and other organic material >>naturally occurred in the honey.Sergey

    Bee parts occurring naturally in honey?? Bees don't put bee parts and other particulates in their honey. You do.

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    So true Michael. I have even put a label on comb honey which I sold which read "The Only Truly Raw Honey".

    xcugat,
    As someone who sells honey I have found that I have to market my honey and not worry what other people do. Stand behind your product. Explain to your customer, the store owner, what you have and how it is made and that you stand behind what you say. You are not responsible for what others do and say.

    I know it is frustrating, but you don't have to be frustrated. Sell your own product.

    I have helped a friend put up Really Raw Honey. I don't know how they get away w/ such a product. But they have established a market and an impression of what Raw Honey is and looks like. It is what it is and there are plenty of people out there who will buy your Raw Honey w/out wax chunks and bee parts. I bet you will sell all you put up.

    Raw honey is easier for the end consumer to use if it is in a round jar rather than a queenline jar. My observation.
    Mark Berninghausen "That which works, persists."

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    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    I have helped a friend put up Really Raw Honey. I don't know how they get away w/ such a product. But they have established a market and an impression of what Raw Honey is and looks like. It is what it is and there are plenty of people out there who will buy your Raw Honey w/out wax chunks and bee parts. I bet you will sell all you put up.
    The same way Clorox sells natural products under the name Burt's Bees - It' all about marketing to sheep!

    As to your quality product - don't be discourgaed - it will take some time to develop a niche but once you do and word spreads you won't find yourself having to explain your product very often. A sample taste comparison with a store owner or a retail customer speaks for itself.

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    Michael,
    I am sure you have noticed that there are always people who don't do what you and I do that have opiniuons on how we should do what we do. I'm sure I do it too.
    Mark Berninghausen "That which works, persists."

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    Cuz it's true if you read it on the interwebs!

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    Default Re: Really raw honey aggravation

    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    Michael,
    I am sure you have noticed that there are always people who don't do what you and I do that have opiniuons on how we should do what we do. I'm sure I do it too.
    O, yes! People is trying to teach me how to do stuff "properly" all time! But I am doing stuff in my own way... I think, there is a difference between imposing and sharing. It is my understanding that public forums like beesource is about "sharing"... But to me, most valuable part is information. Sergey

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    You thought I meant you? Interesting.
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    to Michael Palmer
    Well, it was sort of "russian-style" joke about 100 and 2 %, which is impossible since 100% is the max... I apologize for confusion. Also - I had no intention to criticize the original poster, xcugat -my apology if my post was offensive or somehow hurts somebody's feelings.

    Since I am not native English speaker, sometime I feel funny how people use the words. For instance, in Russian, we would never call high-quality product "raw". We would use "nicer" words for it - "natural" comes in mind. So, to me, "raw" really associated with bees legs in the honey... thus,102% exclusively to my friends. I do not impose my opinions on anybody including store managers, but, if somebody ask me, sure, I will share my personal opinion. Regarding honeycomb (which is not part of this thread),my opinion is that wax foundation, which is used for food (honeycomb) needs to be regulated by FDA. Sergey

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcugat View Post
    Just wanted to share a pet peeve of mine. I sell raw on heated unfiltered honey. This year I made enough to sell it to local health food stores. Yesterday I made a sales pitch yesterday where the store owner was really excited about the honey. Today I brought it in-- a case of 24 queenline jars only to be met with a tepid "oh thats raw honey really?...It doesnt look like the raw honey on the internet.....?"

    Anyone else have to deal with this nonsense? I left annoyed as the store owner implied by her questioning that I was somehow offering fake raw honey--she asked me several times if I heated it---which I never do. She bought it but still I don't need to be interrogated.
    Most folks have no idea what it takes to get honey from the hive into the jar. (I know I didn't. After my first extraction, I was ready to sell for $100/quart!)

    If you think this is a potential source of income and is worth saving, then invite the owner to your next extracting and let them learn what is involved. That way they'd know what's involved, plus they would be able to explain the process to their customers.

    Just some food for thought.

    Good luck!
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    Default Re: Really raw honey aggravation

    Bee Bliss, no doubt i could make more $ by raising my price. but in this small country town of around 1200 population (older farm people) you can't charge twice as much as they can go to Wally World and get a quart of honey even if they know my honey is better. Most of the bee club members that sell honey from they're hives sell it to people they work with $18.00 a qt, but they only sell 10 to 20 qts. a year. I could join the Springfield, Mo. Farmers Market and get $18.00 a qt. but the fees i would have to pay to join, and set up fees plus gasoline driving to and from would cost more than the extra $4.50 per qt.so i think i've got a good customer base built up here.Out of the 160 club members only myself and one other member produce enough honey to have a large customer base and she sells her honey cheaper than i do.

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