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  1. #1
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    Aug 2012
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    Toronto, ON Canada
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    Default crazy not to wrap?

    My warré is built with 1.5"/38mm wood. I'm planning to leave them with 3 boxes, 1 of which has a covered window.

    Is it worth it trying to wrap with tar paper around the handles/window latches, or would you think the extra wood thickness would be good enough?

    Last year we had a pretty mild winter but average winter temps for my area go down to about -5c.

  2. #2
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    Mar 2010
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    Richmond, Virginia, USA
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    Default Re: crazy not to wrap?

    I think wrapping with water vapor proof wrapping might be really bad. Won't keep in the heat but would retain the water, but I basically don't know what I'm talking about. Like wearing blue jeans in the wet & cold. Use tyvec or unbatted fiberglass.

  3. #3
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    Jan 2011
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    Brainerd, MN
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    Default Re: crazy not to wrap?

    I run my warres a little unorthodox after last winter. I did away with the quilt and made a feeder with an upper entrance. I plan on insulating my hives with solid foam insulation and wrapping them. I also use 1.5" lumber, but again I run a top entrance.
    Not Michael Bush. My name is Dan. Sorry for the confusion.

  4. #4
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    Richmond, Virginia, USA
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    Default Re: crazy not to wrap?

    When warm moist air moves through a wall it cools and the water condenses. The condensed water needs to be allow to evaporate or it will rot the wall or in the case of a bee hive make the bees damp. The problem with putting solid foam insulation is that the moisture is trapped inside the hive. If the whole hive is warmer than the dew point than the hive will just be humid. If some part of the hive is cooler than the dew point, that part of the hive will be wet. If that cold area is over the bees, then you could have it run down on to the bees which would kill them. I think the genus of the quilt is that it absorbs the condensation and allows it to dry to the exterior just like the unbatted insulation in our own attics. It keep the hive dry.

  5. #5
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    Jan 2011
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    Great Falls Montana
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    Default Re: crazy not to wrap?

    Zonkers,you caution is well taken but moisture levels are just not the same in subzero cold as in your end of the dismal swamp. Wrapping is a capitaql idea. Just make sure the bees have ventilation available. I like an entrance hole about 10 inches down from the toop with about everythi ng else buffered from wind if not sealed off.

  6. #6
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    Mar 2010
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    Default Re: crazy not to wrap?

    Yeah I live in a humid climate, but the bees produce a lot of water burning honey to stay warm in any climate (sugar to CO2 and water). I'd wrap but I would be careful to use open cell or unbatted insulation. Maybe a layer of tyvec (which breaths) to break the wind. Keeping warm is a lot easier if your dry.

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