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  1. #1
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    Default Got an email from new customer this morning - did trap-out this afternoon

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    Woke up this morning with an email from someone wanting bees out of their wall. So I went to a job I had to do and then went a couple of miles down the road to the customers house after I was done with work.

    I had to remove the light fixture and then glue the cone-assembly right to the wall with some great adhesive I found today at Lowe's.

    I brought my whacked top-bar trap-out hive that I slapped together with spare wood.

    Everything seemed to go really well. They were PISSED, though, when I started taking the light fixture off. There were multiple bees attempting to sting me, and one eventually got me on my shoulder/neck area - no biggie. It climbed through my hood on my jacket, under the veil.

    The tape you see at the top of the assembly was just an added thing I added in case the glue did set too well at first. I didn't really need the tape because the adhesive was really good.

    Anyhow, enough of my babbling.................here's the video and some photos:

    By the way, this video turned out really good. The audio of the bees is just phenomenal.













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    Default Re: Got an email from new customer this morning - did trap-out this afternoon

    Nice video. Pardon my ignorance but how is this supposed to work? Seems you are just excluding returning foragers from re-entering the hive. Is that the point--you get a bunch of workers and the hive starves then you prevent re-entry for new swarms--or did you do a cut-out previously of this hive?

    Guess I could search and read up on trap-outs but I thought the point was to get the hive to eventually move into a box you can move (just my assumption) but I can't see how the queen would get from the wall into your box. I think there is more here that I'm not getting.

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    Default Re: Got an email from new customer this morning - did trap-out this afternoon

    JClark, I'm with you...there has to be more to this trick than meets the eye.

    Clearly the bees are being drawn out of the nest and the screen cone provides a way out, but not a way back in.

    I wonder how long this entire process took? And is there some kind of attractant in the wood "hive" to draw the bees in? Clearly they started going in and I guess they all did eventually?

    Please tell us more!

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    Default Re: Got an email from new customer this morning - did trap-out this afternoon

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    Those are great questions.

    Well, although I SHOULD have brood/eggs to place in the bait hive, I don't. I'm a new bee keeper and I'm trying to get free bees from doing trap-outs and/or cut-outs. However, I did hang some old comb I had inside the top bar hive and I also placed some lemongrass oil in the bait-hive which mimics the queen's pheromone. Optimally, the bees would go in and raise a new queen from a batch of brood/eggs, but since I didn't have that, I am going to hope the queen wanders out after she realizes most of the other bees have left her. I have heard others say that they have gotten that to work.....we'll see.

    Regardless, it's late in the season, and even here in Florida, these bees would be hard-pressed to survive. The homeowner was probably going to have them sprayed anyhow and she didn't want the wall smashed. This was pretty-much the only alternative.

    But yes, I'm new at this, but ONE day I'll be an expert. You gotta start somewhere, folks.

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    Default Re: Got an email from new customer this morning - did trap-out this afternoon

    The queen rarley comes out,anyway i've never had one to. Yes, you can combine the bees you trap out to another hive, but the home owner will still have a problem. The smell of dying rotting brood and bees, honey dripping out of the comb and running down the inside wall, drawing ants and other insects and rodents. I have found that a complete cutout in homes are a better way to go than a trapout, but it's hard to get the home owner to go along with it.Of course it depends on how long the colony has been there.

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    Default Re: Got an email from new customer this morning - did trap-out this afternoon

    PatBeek... Quote.... ( I am going to hope the queen wanders out after she realizes most of the other bees have left her)

    Send me an e-mail cchoganjr@scrtc.com and I will send you info on a trapping system so you can raise your expectations of getting the queen quickly. I will also send color photos of traps in progress to show how the system works. You can build, very easily, everything you need. No charge for the info. I do it to help beekeepers.

    Brooksbeefarm. I get the queen virtually every time. Most others do also. With my system you will get the queen, unless the brood nest is too far from the entrance, or, you don't catch her in the trap when she is on the comb. At any rate, if she comes into the trap and lays in your drawn comb, and returns to the feral source, you will have her eggs, you can then move the frames and start a new colony from her eggs,(they will make a queen) then continue trapping until you deplete the feral colony of honey and bees, then she will come into the trap. Colony gone, you have the queen.

    Cutout is the way to go if you can, but for whatever reason you can't, then get the queen and get the bees. And yes, a trapout without removal of comb will result in insects etc entering and removing any honey and also is an invitation for SHB and Wax Moths to move in, then next year a swarm will move in, clean the mess, and start another colony in the same place you just removed them from.

    cchoganjr

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    Default Re: Got an email from new customer this morning - did trap-out this afternoon

    Patbeek,

    I figured you were working w/in the constraints of the situation--just wanted to be sure. A cinder-block wall is definitely not an ideal cut-out situation.

    Cleo, I'll send an e-mail too as I am interested in the info mentioned above. If my hives swarm next season like my first hive did this spring I may have to re-collect some from other folks' houses at some point. And I thought I was only going to have one hive! Suspect that this winter may actually test my abilities though (last winter never really happened here).

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    Default Re: Got an email from new customer this morning - did trap-out this afternoon

    This gets the "Most Frugal Trapout" award for 2012.

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    Default Re: Got an email from new customer this morning - did trap-out this afternoon

    Quote Originally Posted by odfrank View Post
    This gets the "Most Frugal Trapout" award for 2012.
    Hmmmmmm, should I take that as a compliment...or?

    Hey, are you jealous of that trap-hive I nailed together with spare wood?

    Next time I'll do a Cadillac trap-out......the DELUXE treatment.

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