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  1. #1
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    Default Pollen Supplement Formulation Question

    We recently started producing a complete pollen supplement, but I have heard from more than one West coast commercial beekeeper that freight costs too much to make it feasible. Unfortunately, I agree, but there is no way around freight when shipping pollen supplement...

    I would like to get your opinions, especially those that are mixing tons of supplement. I realize commercial beekeepers can buy a great deal of pollen supplement ingredients locally and skip most of the freight charge.

    We currently offer a 5lb per ton vitamin and mineral supplement. This covers the major vitamins and minerals that beekeepers just can't get with standard ingredients. The 5lb per ton supplement is formulated to work with commonly used ingredients beekeepers can buy to make their own pollen supplement. However, with our complete pollen supplement we actually use a premix of vitamins and minerals that accounts for approximately 75-100lbs per ton of dry pollen supplement. By designing the formulation from scratch, we were able to balance all of the vitamins, minerals and nutrients more accurately.

    My question is... Would a 75-100lb per ton premix be of interest to commercial beekeepers? I am tossing around the idea of providing the overall pollen supplement formula to go with the 75-100lb per ton premix. This way beekeepers could buy the bulk ingredients locally and then purchase the premix to go with the final supplement formula.

    Thanks for your time and input!

    Joe
    Breeder Queens & Honey Bee Nutritional Supplements
    www.latshawapiaries.com

  2. #2
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    Default Re: Pollen Supplement Formulation Question

    No opinions...?

    What I would like to know is if beekeepers are happy with their own current supplement formulas. From what I can gather many beekeepers like their own formulations and do a good job taking care of protein levels, but have a difficult time tending to the vitamin and mineral levels. Any deficient nutrient can be the limiting factor for a formulation whether it is an amino acid, vitamin, mineral, etc. Is a premix of interest if it allows beekeepers to use their own locally available ingredients to mix a standardized formulation and then ad a premix to finish off the mix?

    Thanks,
    Joe
    Breeder Queens & Honey Bee Nutritional Supplements
    www.latshawapiaries.com

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    Default Re: Pollen Supplement Formulation Question

    If the Tucson Bee Laboratory or other qualified agency were to study it and find significant bee population increase results over a control group without the supplement, I would be interested.

    As of the present, I am too small of an operator to buy a bulk quantity next year. I do, however, have the woodenware and queen rearing equipment to grow into a commercial operation over the next 5 years, and I do look very carefully at supplements. Any breakdown you could post or send as a pm would be helpful.

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    Default Re: Pollen Supplement Formulation Question

    Kilocharlie,

    Thanks for your input!

    Our original 5 pounds per ton vitamin and mineral supplement is already used by some of the largest beekeeping operations in the US. They add it to their own personal supplement formulas.

    What I would like to do is improve upon our original product. Going from 5 pounds per ton to roughly 75-100 pounds per ton is a big jump, but it is a pretty simple formula. The premix actually contains about 30 vitamins and minerals designed to work with the standard soy, yeast and oil formula.

    For example, the beekeeper would mix:

    x pounds of soy
    x pounds of yeast
    x pounds of oil
    x pounds sugar
    x pounds water
    x pounds of premix

    I would provide the appropriate amounts of soy, yeast and oil to make sure nutrients are balanced. The resulting patties would have a nutritional profile similar to natural pollen. I like to keep things simple!
    Breeder Queens & Honey Bee Nutritional Supplements
    www.latshawapiaries.com

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    Default Re: Pollen Supplement Formulation Question

    From the nutritional point of honey bee nutritional requirements,
    what are your essential amino acids in the mix?
    Thanks,
    Ernie
    My websitehttp://bees4u.com/

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    Default Re: Pollen Supplement Formulation Question

    why is this better than the 5 lb bag of mix you used to sell?

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    Default Re: Pollen Supplement Formulation Question

    Ernie,

    Based on our analyses of pollen samples and feeding trials, protein or individual amino acids were not the limiting factor in most formulations. Pollen is very similar in protein composition to many other plant based forms of protein.

    Soy and yeast complement each other pretty well in terms of providing a good protein source, however they need some work in the vitamin, mineral and essential fatty acid department.

    Any nutrient can be a limiting factor and we found that protein was generally not the limiting factor in most processed ingredients.

    Joe
    Breeder Queens & Honey Bee Nutritional Supplements
    www.latshawapiaries.com

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    Default Re: Pollen Supplement Formulation Question

    Thanks Joe. I'll talk to the other beekeepers and see what they think.
    Gary

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    Default Re: Pollen Supplement Formulation Question

    BtW, I've had good luck so far using HoneyBHealthy and Nosevit, which I add to Crisco / cane sugar / pollen patties. What brewer's yeast do you recommend? Any particular soy flour? What ratio has been showing best results for you and among your customers?

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