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    Default Re: Coevolution of Honey Bees and Varroa Mites: A New Paper

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    It means that I know how to formulate and test hypotheses.
    Then you'll know that testing a hypothesis concerning resistance in bees will involve real bees, double-blinding arrangements, control groups. So what are particulars of these test? Or, is there, in this case, some reason why such tests are not necessary.

    Its a simple question.

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post

    Responding to some of what folks write simply goes too far afield from the main thrust of my argument or the thread.
    That's easy. Do my questions above come into that category?

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    I've previously tested these bees for insertions at the site of interest and have detected many, and sequenced a few. They're already there. I've used and studied transposable elements before, and have even developed methodologies to get them to insert into sites preferentially.
    And this is proof of what? Surely its wisely known that these things can be done. What's needed is confirmation that they work, and designs to show how they might be put to use.

    WLC, this is all pretty typical. You've answered questions I haven't asked, and haven't responded to those I asked. You haven't addressed my criticisms, nor responded to my suggestion that there was a bit of confusion abroad due to different views of the meaning of the key term. All you've done is parroted your positions.

    You've claimed 'proof' without acknowleging the point that proof lies in empirical demonstration - or explaining why that isn't necessary in this case.

    This isn't dialogue. It isn't constructive. Its simply repetition of belief and refusal to take any notice of valid criticism.

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    Default Re: Coevolution of Honey Bees and Varroa Mites: A New Paper

    Alot of very real bees died from those splits made from the DWV hive. The dark discoloration of their bodies was both obvious and disturbing.

    We've got plenty of bee samples taken before during and after. However, experimental design is one of my strengths. Not yours.

    Mike, you're confusion isn't equivalent to valid criticism.

    This is simply yet another debate on treatment-free bees, and evolution, that you've lost.

    I can't think of a single specific example proving the 'evolution' of resistance in treatment-free bees. There were plenty of hypotheticals though.

    Pardon me if I dare to try my hand at a proof.

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    Default Re: Coevolution of Honey Bees and Varroa Mites: A New Paper

    A waste of time. Shame it has so much power to distract.
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    Default Re: Coevolution of Honey Bees and Varroa Mites: A New Paper

    Ditto.

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    Default Re: Coevolution of Honey Bees and Varroa Mites: A New Paper

    Here's a study on recombinant DWV and VDV-1 virus.

    http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/sci/li...92-156-161.pdf

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