Results 1 to 12 of 12
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    Hephzibah, Georgia, USA
    Posts
    16

    Default Is RV Antifreeze an alternative to Veg Oil for SHB tray?

    I read a suggestion to use RV antifreeze in place of vegetable oil in SHB tray traps to drown them. The logic was the RV antifreeze is non toxic (to humans) and much cheaper. Does anyone have any other information on this. Non toxic to us doesn't necessarily mean the girls can stand it,especially if it evaporates and fumigates the hive. Comments?

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    Houston, Texas, USA
    Posts
    460

    Default Re: Is RV Antifreeze an alternative to Veg Oil for SHB tray?

    Ethelyne glycol is toxic propalyne glycol is food safe. Check the labels propalyne glycol is what is used to cool beer lines in bars.
    Mike
    N5RWH - 9a

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    owensboro,ky
    Posts
    2,240

    Default Re: Is RV Antifreeze an alternative to Veg Oil for SHB tray?

    Isn't veg oil nontoxic? One would think it would work better because it's,well,OILY so it coats the bugs and won't evaporate.
    "Wine is a constant proof that God loves us and loves to see us happy" Ben Franklin

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    Griffin, GA USA
    Posts
    97

    Default Re: Is RV Antifreeze an alternative to Veg Oil for SHB tray?

    I use a soap and water mixture, 5 tablespoons of lemon Joy to a gallon of water. I use the same mixture 3 tablespoons to a gallon of water for aphids and spider mites. Where I live, I have heard stories of raccoon tearing up hives to drink the vegetable oil from the tray. In fact I told this to Mr. Freeman when I talked to him on the phone and he suggested the soap and water, saying he had heard about the raccoons.
    But this doesn't seem to bother my bees at all...

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Fort Wayne, IN
    Posts
    930

    Default Re: Is RV Antifreeze an alternative to Veg Oil for SHB tray?

    Anitfreeze is deadly to dogs and cats....

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Tucson, Arizona, USA
    Posts
    5,325

    Default Re: Is RV Antifreeze an alternative to Veg Oil for SHB tray?

    Around here, the water in soap/water would evaporate, in a few hours, or less.
    48 years - 50 hives - TF
    Joseph Clemens -- Website Under Constructioni

  7. #7
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Garland County, AR
    Posts
    1,076

    Default Re: Is RV Antifreeze an alternative to Veg Oil for SHB tray?

    Think I'll try the soapy water next year. Even if I had to replace it a couple of times a week, it would be much nicer to work with than oil. Cheaper too! Joseph, do you leave your oil trays in all summer? When it gets blistering here, I usually pull mine for the summer. Anyone else do that?
    Zone 7b ~ Central Arkansas
    8fr medium equipment

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    owensboro,ky
    Posts
    2,240

    Default Re: Is RV Antifreeze an alternative to Veg Oil for SHB tray?

    raccoons attack hives for the bees and larvae. they are a natural predator of HORNET nests. the veg oil story is a misconnection of facts. the speculation about antifreeze is due to a lack of understanding of the mechanism that kills the beetles-the coating of their bodies in oil. non-toxic antifreeze is no better than water-the majority will swim out and return to the hive.
    "Wine is a constant proof that God loves us and loves to see us happy" Ben Franklin

  9. #9
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Garland County, AR
    Posts
    1,076

    Default Re: Is RV Antifreeze an alternative to Veg Oil for SHB tray?

    Mike, soap will suffocate most insects. Not so with hive beetles?
    Zone 7b ~ Central Arkansas
    8fr medium equipment

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    owensboro,ky
    Posts
    2,240

    Default Re: Is RV Antifreeze an alternative to Veg Oil for SHB tray?

    sorry i didnt mention that soapy water is every bit as effective as oil. i suspect its nowhere near as popular as oil simply because of the previous mentioned evaporation issue. i see many posting questions that start of with "havent been in my hive since last month..." or words to that effect.
    my personal experience helping new beekeepers is they want to inspect/open their hive twice a week-or twice a year.
    "Wine is a constant proof that God loves us and loves to see us happy" Ben Franklin

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Tucson, Arizona, USA
    Posts
    5,325

    Default Re: Is RV Antifreeze an alternative to Veg Oil for SHB tray?

    So far, I haven't used any trays, at all. I'm thinking about it, though. But I'd use it for wax moth and maybe Varroa too, since SHB haven't arrived in our area, yet.
    Last edited by Joseph Clemens; 09-15-2012 at 09:10 PM.
    48 years - 50 hives - TF
    Joseph Clemens -- Website Under Constructioni

  12. #12
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Garland County, AR
    Posts
    1,076

    Default Re: Is RV Antifreeze an alternative to Veg Oil for SHB tray?

    The trays do an excellent job, Joseph, with shb and as a mite indicator. I just can't keep the girls without circulation in our hot summers - 110-115 heat indices with oppressive humidity. Oy. So I pull them. Testing now to see how they did. A bit nervous. I used the beetle eaters or the ilk - they didn't catch much this year. Curious.
    Zone 7b ~ Central Arkansas
    8fr medium equipment

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Ads