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    Default Anyone ever have any luck re-queening after a shake out?

    I had no luck with my ladies re-queening themselves or with the first replacement,mated queen. I want to try one last time with doing a shake out as my hive has now become victim to the laying worker curse. Have any of you ever had any luck re-queening after doing a shake out?

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    Default Re: Anyone ever have any luck re-queening after a shake out?

    I usually just combine after a shake but I don't see why it wouldn't work.
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    Default Re: Anyone ever have any luck re-queening after a shake out?

    If you have some brood to add, add the queen to the frame with brood. Shake out all of the workers from the hive and in theory the laying worker / workers will be to heavy to return.
    That being said I just did this today so I will be able to let ya know in a week.
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    Default Re: Anyone ever have any luck re-queening after a shake out?

    I did, this season...Well, sort of: I have a backyard hive that went laying worker. I couldn't very well take it the 100 yards, or whatever, away that is recommended-that would put it in someone else's frontyard. I use drone frames. I only shook the bees off of the drone frame, put that in the freezer, then requeened the hive (still full of remaining bees). I went with a homemade push in cage. She's still laying like a champ. By the way, many threads questions whether laying workers can fly or not, or what distance they may crawl. Due to my small yard, I chose to sacrifce the bees I shook on the ground. Cruel perhaps, but effective insurance in my case.

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    Default Re: Anyone ever have any luck re-queening after a shake out?

    So far so good on mine. It's an advanced move for me, so someone did it for me. Shook out my bottom brood box into a container about 40 feet away. He put a new queen, no cage, between two frames of her own brood. A mini nuc of sorts to insulate her from any original bees. He turned the entrance around and topped it with a screen. He also put some essential oils in there to mix up the smells a bit. After the field bees had a few minutes to return to the hive, he dumped the rest back into the top box. If the laying worker made it back in, the smell of the new queen should shut her down. I'm 10 days out and the queen is still alive. I did a newspaper combine and turned the entrances around a few days ago. I'm hoping to see the same thing this weekend. Good luck.

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    Default Re: Anyone ever have any luck re-queening after a shake out?

    Earlier this year, I had a hive with a laying worker.. My first hive.. Contacted the dealer I bought the package from. I wanted to buy a new queen. When I arrived to pick her up, he gave me me a queen and 3 frames of brood and some bees.
    When I got home, I opened my hive and put all my frames in an empty box and brought it behind my garage. I put a sheet on the ground and shook all the frames onto it till there were only a few bees left on them. Then I put the frames from the "mini nuc" into my hive and then filled the rest with my frames. It took a few hours, but everything settled down and the hive has been doing great. So, it seemed to work
    but I was lucky enough to get more than a new queen..

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    Default Re: Anyone ever have any luck re-queening after a shake out?

    I have shook out a laying worker hive and added a queen before. It has worked for me, but I am sure others have different stories. I have also heard just using two open brood frames and a caged queen in the middle of the brood nest will also work. Just hold her in the cage for a week before releasing, and don't open the hive again for another 10 days or so.

    Another thing I have done is move a stronger queenright colony in place of the laying worker hive, reduce the entrance, and shake them out.

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    Default Re: Anyone ever have any luck re-queening after a shake out?

    Did a shakeout last weekend, inexpertly, and requeened, inexpertly again. I should have used a proper wire cage sunk into the comb, but found that out too late. Bees got into my makeshift cage in two days and I thought all was lost...but on checking today found a huge and healthy queen right away, already laying. Shut things back up and will check for capped worker brood next week.

    After the shakeout, I spritzed all the bee-free hive parts with a light misting of wintergreen and vanilla laced sugar syrup. And rubbed that and some of the hive honey and comb over the queen cage. That may have helped.

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    Default Re: Anyone ever have any luck re-queening after a shake out?

    I did this early summer shook then put a few frames of uncapped brood into my hive. Waited 24 hours then put the queen in with a cage with masking tape over the candy place where they eat the path through. Let them release her and was no problem Just shake the bees out a couple hundred feet away. I was about 250 ft away from my original position...

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    Default Re: Anyone ever have any luck re-queening after a shake out?

    Here in an urban neighbourhood I had to shake out 15' from the original hive, and tucked into a corner of my yard the neighbours could not see!! It was very bee-ey for an hour or two, for sure. In spite of my limitations it seems to have worked.

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    Default Re: Anyone ever have any luck re-queening after a shake out?

    Well,without jinxing myself,I went into the hive today and checked on the queen. She was still tucked away in her push in cage and there were eggs!!! I was so happy to see that she began laying. I watched the behavior of the ladies towards her and it seemed gentle and organized. I decided to lift the cage and it was a beautiful sight. The ladies came up to her and began to check her out. It was not violent in any way. She walked around and more and more came up to her to check things out. I stayed with them for a few minutes and decided that it was safe to keep her gathered with her colony. I hope that she has a long,productive life.

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    Default Re: Anyone ever have any luck re-queening after a shake out?

    Thankyou for that little peek into the hive, uberhausen! Lovely, just what every beekeeper wants to see.

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