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  1. #241
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    Default Re: Are you ready for the Odfrank overwintering challenge?

    Quote Originally Posted by oblib View Post
    WAIT... I thought we were trying to lose more than odfrank.
    I am well on my way to winning this competition also. You guys better try harder.

  2. #242
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    Default Re: Are you ready for the Odfrank overwintering challenge?

    HIVE DOWN,!!!!, Lost one of the 15, down to 14. This was a hive that started as a cut-out and was going into their second winter. Looking back and going through the hive, lots of possible factors that may have led to their demise. I noticed a lot of darker portions on top of the frames (appears to me to be water/moisture stains). There were at least 12 queen cells (most of them appeared old/safety net cells) on the frames (thirty in all). This hive was not checked regularly enough in the fall, so going into winter I did not have a good knowledge base of their health/status going into winter. Of course some mites in the oil tray but not excessive, and remaining brood not stringy. Long story short, not a dead bee in the hive, but lots of resources for the spring.cIMG_0651[1].jpgIMG_0652[1].jpgIMG_0654[1].jpgIMG_0656[1].jpgratch: How they began,,,IMG_0142[1].jpg Good news is that I made a split from them earlier in the year, so their genetics will live on. (which time will tell if this is a good thing or not)

  3. #243
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    Default Re: Are you ready for the Odfrank overwintering challenge?

    Lost another hive within the last month, probably quite recently. It was a city hive next to the one I lost sometime in like November. This time there were a bunch of dead bees on the SBB, and a very small cluster of dead bees in between two frames. I didn't see the queen in the cluster but will investigate more when I bring the hive home. There were bees in the empty comb sticking butt out and the same symtoms as the last dead out, some emerging brood with tongues out and a few cells of capped brood. No eggs and no exposed larva this time. Cell cappings were not perforated or sunk in either. As for food.........a full 10 frame deep packed with honey.....................and ants. Also seen a couple dead SHB. Another thing I noticed is the fresh nectar that was brought in, some clear and a lot with a cloudy white substance. Anyone guess what the white substance is?? And with this hive loss, im down to 6 from 8, 25% loss so far...........Ollie im going to win the "most losses" competition if it keeps going this way!
    A squirrel or mouse tried to chew through the top entrance.

    Dead bees on SBB

    Size of the small cluster of dead bees that were between the two frames.

    White substance in cells of nectar?
    Coyote Creek Bees

  4. #244
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    Default Re: Are you ready for the Odfrank overwintering challenge?

    One out of 7 down.
    My nuc that was having trouble raising a queen in the fall died.
    Dan

  5. #245
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    Default Re: Are you ready for the Odfrank overwintering challenge?

    Down one of four, with two weak and one booming!
    Meridith
    I am frequently confused!

  6. #246
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    Default Re: Are you ready for the Odfrank overwintering challenge?

    12 HIVES 2 NUCS as of today lost 1 since i jumped in this thread.
    Say hello to the bad guy!
    year five==== 31 hives==== T{OAV}

  7. #247
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    Default Re: Are you ready for the Odfrank overwintering challenge?

    Picked up the dead out today and looked through it. Obvious signs of Varroa death, deformed wings of dead bees on bottom board, white specks in the cells and so on, will pull some capped larva to see if mites are present on them. The white stuff is either fermentation or crystalizing nectar, no smell of chemicals. Searching through all the dead bees on the bottom board and didn't find the queen, she may have died earlier and got carried out, or her corpse dropped out when I lifted the boxes apart. Going to do oxalic acid vapor treatment on my country hives tomorrow, even though they looked like they were doing great!
    Coyote Creek Bees

  8. #248
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    Default Re: Are you ready for the Odfrank overwintering challenge?

    Hate to hear that you lost another hive BG, the OAV should make a difference with the others.
    Bill...in Southeast Ohio

  9. #249
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    Default Re: Are you ready for the Odfrank overwintering challenge?

    Thanks WWW! Gonna do the first treatment tomorrow on the 6 hives I have left! Take care!
    Coyote Creek Bees

  10. #250
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    Default Re: Are you ready for the Odfrank overwintering challenge?

    Did powdered sugar mite tests on some of our hives Friday, 60F weather!
    Numbers where very low over here, shouldn't need to check again for a couple months.
    Dan

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    Default Re: Are you ready for the Odfrank overwintering challenge?

    Well i lost two hives to this last cold snap we are having 0- temps with wind but i know they may not make it trought to spring they had weak hums last time i checked and the hum check seems to work. Thats ok going in to this past spring my goals where to have 10 this coming spring and i'm still 2 ahead of my goals. I now have xtra frames with comb and hives to to play with and i sure did learn alot this past year.
    Say hello to the bad guy!
    year five==== 31 hives==== T{OAV}

  12. #252
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    Default Re: Are you ready for the Odfrank overwintering challenge?

    I put an ear to the colonies today. I have lost one more over this cold snap. It was a three deep set up. To be honest it was not set up the best for winter. The stores were not as heavy in the top box as I would have liked and they never moved up. They starved out in the middle box around a patch of brood. Last winter I think they would have made it as it didn't really get cold long enough to keep them isolated. It was not a case of CCD, or AFB, or PMS, but rather a case of PPB (p*** poor beekeeping). I have 28/30 colonies that I planned to overwinter still alive.
    Viewing of the deceased is contained in the first 3 pictures of the attached link. http://s1110.beta.photobucket.com/us...neyWI/library/

  13. #253
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    Default Re: Are you ready for the Odfrank overwintering challenge?

    All hives still alive. Temps were in the 40's today after several days of teens and twenties. Carni's were out flying but the Italians didn't get out much. Checked the stores of the hives and most still had lots of honey. Italians were some what lighter then the rest. They had eaten about half of the 8 pound sugar cake that was placed on top of the frames earlier. Carni's hadn't gotten into the sugar cakes yet. Observations so far, Carnie's are more active in colder temps and Italians eat more stores. I am hoping to be able to determine which sized hives do better over winter, 5 frame nucs, full 8/10 frame supers, mediums, deeps, singles or doubles. It sounds like, so far, small nucs are doing better then larger hives.

  14. #254
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    Default Re: Are you ready for the Odfrank overwintering challenge?

    I placed a stethoscope on the hives today and knocked, all six hives greeted me with the familiar zzzzZZZZZzzzz, I am still in the hunt.

    The extremely cold weather over the last few weeks is letting up for this coming week, this should give the bees some flying time, then the temps will drop again by weeks end.
    Bill...in Southeast Ohio

  15. #255
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    Default Re: Are you ready for the Odfrank overwintering challenge?

    I am well on my way to winning this competition. Losses spotted so far at various yards:
    40%, 60%, 100%, 0%, 0%, 0%, 30%, 42%

    The 0% and 100% are both two hive sites within a mile of each other, both stocked with bait hives caught on site.

  16. #256
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    Default Re: Are you ready for the Odfrank overwintering challenge?

    That's some pretty tough losses Ollie, looks like you may be right on course to winning the hard way. On a serious note though, I hope you are close enough to spring to turn these loses around and start rebuilding.
    Bill...in Southeast Ohio

  17. #257
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    Default Re: Are you ready for the Odfrank overwintering challenge?

    Wow Ollie, those are some tough losses. But, within a few months you will be back up to par with your trap line!!

    Bill,
    Congrats on having everything surviving so far!! I checked the hives today just to see the mite drop since Friday............holy smokes, amazing!!! I lifted one double deep off the hive pallet and counted 35 dead mites on the solid bottom board, lifted the second double deep off and counted a whopping 72 dead mites!! The third double deep had 27 dead mites!! Looks like the OAV treatment worked after all!! Going to treat again Thursday after work and then finish up with another treatment the following week. Wish I could have treated my two dead outs, I bet the bottom board would have been red!! Think I might transfer my nucs into single deeps Thursday also and treat them as well. The entrances are to small to treat with the OAV right now.

    On a side note, LOTS of yellow pollen coming in right now!!
    Coyote Creek Bees

  18. #258
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    Default Re: Are you ready for the Odfrank overwintering challenge?

    Quote Originally Posted by KQ6AR View Post
    Did powdered sugar mite tests on some of our hives Friday, 60F weather!
    Numbers where very low over here, shouldn't need to check again for a couple months.
    You must be in the sweet spot Dan!! It also sounds like your IPM system works great!!
    Coyote Creek Bees

  19. #259
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    Default Re: Are you ready for the Odfrank overwintering challenge?

    I didn't chime in at the start of the fall with what I had for hive counts but since I went out yesterday and looked all give you guys what I've got for numbers. You can either believe me or think I'm B.S'ing ya.

    I started the spring with 36 hives which quickly turned to 39 due to a swarm and 2 splits I made. By the end of the summer I was down to 36 hives and ~20 nuc's. Went out and checked all of my hives last weekend and all but one of my nucs had died (I figured the rest weren't going to make it because I didn't really do much to help them make it through, they were made up to late in the year); however, all of my hives (except for 1 that was queenless, morbid curiosity on how they would fare forced me to leave them be) are still alive. So I have 1 nucleus still alive and 35 production still alive as of yesterday out of ~20 nucs, and 36. No idea how you guys are doing your maths but in my mind, that nuc will turn around and become a full size production colony as soon as mid march hits and the weather permits so I went into winter with 36 hives and I'm coming out of winter with 36 hives (hopefully). Last year was my first year raising queens and creating nucs so the nucs I'm chalking up 100% to a learning experience. I learned A LOT about the nuc management and queen breeding so hopefully this year they will fare quite a bit better.

    That's all for now =D
    We the willing have done so much with so little for so long we can now do anything with nothing

  20. #260
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    Default Re: Are you ready for the Odfrank overwintering challenge?

    Hi moon,
    Sorry to hear about the nucs, we have been counting a lost nuc as a lost hive. So no difference.
    Dan

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