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    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow...160630364.html

    Came across this article were officials called a mans bees in a confined space, abusing the bees.
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    What? The dude had 45 hives in a small backyard in an urban area surrounded by other people. That's not right either.

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    1 or 45 whats the difference? It sounds like you couldn't even see them there. We all know what they do. Up and away. The space they need is in the box. Outside doesnt matter as we all know and to tell beeks that its inhumane? And to "raid" his house!?!? and take his property? How many wasp nests are on the average house? how many yellow jackets and hornets are all through the city? How many feral bee nests in walls and ceilings? Were any of the neighbors stung? I still cant get over the fact that they raided his house...

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    45 unregistered hives in a Queens driveway. Too funny!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeeManiac View Post
    1 or 45 whats the difference?
    44.

    Swarms, aggressive hives, bees in neighbors (lots of neighbors!) pools, bird baths, hummingbird feeders. Perhaps this is a good reason to require registration of hives. Do you really not see a problem with what he was doing?

    Calling it abuse of the bees is a big stretch, but really, 45 hives in that location!
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    1 or 45 whats the difference?
    Somebody has obviously never been to Queens.
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    I have read a different report on this. What you might not know from this report is that the neighbors did know very well that the bees where there. that they can in fact be seen and that they actually had to pass within three feet of some of these hives. There had been complaints made about these hives in the past and nothing was done about it. Even the beekeeper himself said it had gotten out of control and he could not keep up with it.
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    Yelp, definitely not a suburban setting...it's a little crowded. At least the wooden "barracades" will keep the bees inside and keep them from stinging folks walking down the sidewalk from getting stung... I do hope they work it out so the guy can at least have a couple of hives there...maybe get the ok for some roof-top apiaries from some building owners scattered about. But, the current location for 45 colonies seems to be very bad to me.
    The article that goes with this picture can be read here: http://mycrappyneighbor.com/2012/08/...-his-backyard/ That looks like an "interesting" website itself.


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    Ok, this is the best article that I've seen on the situation yet. It also has a picture at the bottom of the article that better shows the surroundings that these bees were being kept in...it seems that just one or two hives could cause problems here... Ed

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.1142574

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    I personally would never have 45 in the city. But who am i to get in someone elses business? Who am i to "raid" someones house. Who makes the rules saying thats too many? Common sense would have slowed most of us down a long time ago. I think, in my mind its how they went about it all. This guy is from a totally different culture not even speaking english. People exaggerate lots of things, all the quotes from the neighbors are obviously from people that have no clue. Not one person was stung.

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    U guys need to read the article. The Chinese "owner" of the bees couldn't handle them, he called for help, the hives were unregistered, and had been robbed of all their honey by the Chinese man who was selling it. The President of the Apiary Society that checked them stated that the bees were in such poor condition, they probably would not survive. This is one of the rare instances where I have to support what the local government did, although they should have done something when the first complaints came in from neighbors months ago, that way the bees may have been saved.
    Just another example of how inefficient and useless government at any level is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeeManiac View Post
    <snip>... Not one person was stung.
    It is understood that Chen is from another culture BUT he chose to come to THIS culture which has it's rules/laws. I won't go into the issue of him not speaking English but I will say that the Declaration of Independence, the US Constituion, our Bill of Rights, bee ordinances in New York, and many other important documents were all written in English. If you were to go to China to live you can rest assured that you would abide by their rules or you could very likely be raided and I'm sure they wouldn't do it as nicely as they did in Queens...there would also be no pity for you if you couldn't speak Chinese. As for who makes the rules...the City of New York, ya think? The beekeeping community had to work at getting keeping bees allowed. People such as this guy could undermine the efforts of lots of beekeepers. As for how they went about it all...aparently there had been numerous complaints to the man and to the city. Eventually the city had to respond with their authroity when the person ignored their inquiries. Here is a quote from the last article that I listed:

    Its gotten out of hand, he said. I dont have the time or resources to do this.

    That is a quote from Chen...he's admitting himself that he couldn't handle the bees anymore. But, then he yells when they take them away. Go figure.

    You stated that "Not one person was stung". How do you know this? Go back and read your sentence prior to that statement.

    In my eyes Chen was showing little regard for the men, women, and children that lived nearby or traveled down that sidewalk. BeeManiac, you stated "I personally would never have 45 in the city." Why not? What reasons would keep you from keeping this many hives there? Those reasons are some of the same ones that Chen should have paid attention to.

    I'm sorry that Chen lost his bees but he should have chosen (using common sense) a better location for them. As I've already stated, I hope that he can work something out so he can continue to keep bees but not at the expense of other peoples safety and peace of mind. Actually, going from a single hive to 45 hives in two years is fantastic...somebody needs to hire this guy to work their bee yards!!!!

    Sadly, the different articles seem to only paint beekeeping and honey bees in a negative light and these articles are courtesy of Chen's actions.

    I'm all for small government, less government interference, etc.,. But this situation is what laws are written for and why we have people in places of authority to enforce those laws. Otherwise we have anarchy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by casinoken View Post
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    Just another example of how inefficient and useless government at any level is.
    I think we agree that if it hadn't been for the government's intervention the bees would still be sitting there probably to starve over the winter and folks would still be swatting at bees as they walk down the sidewalk. I wonder, though, if it wasn't a situation of the government dragging it's feet in response but rather the government trying to give an imigrant/citizen time to correct the situation on his own...and when he did not remedy the situation the government authority stepped in. It would be interesting to note when the first communication happened between Chen and the city and what that communication consisted of. If this was the first contact between the two then I think the city's actions were excessive. If they had already been in contact with each other and Chen failed to respond then all bets are off for Chen.

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    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...ans-home?lite/

    The owner of the bees, Chen:
    “It’s gotten out of hand,” Chen told The Daily News Wednesday night as New York City Police Department officials and volunteers from the Beekeepers Association collected the bees. “I don’t have the time or resources to do this.”

    He contacted the NY beekeepers association through his real estate agent because he's trying to sell his house. Neighbors had complained previously but nothing was done until now, which is AFTER he contacted someone about selling hives.

    He also took ALL of the honey out of the hives leaving the bees with nothing for the winter.

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    Sorry, it looks like I posted the same time as many others.
    Again, sorry.

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    Ok, this is probably a dumb question, but if these hives were moved to Florida or somewhere south with flowers, would they survive?
    I can't tell from the article is they were just robbed of all their honey or if they were sick as well.

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    It is definitely a confusing situation... And I'm not too sure about this Cote guy. It seems he's pumping up the populations of these hives...60K to 80K bees in each hive???? Somebody really needs to hire Chen!!!! (Just teach him to leave some food on the hives for the bees). Something else is that Cote stated "That's something like 3 million bees, which is more bees than there are people in Queens". Gee, I've got more bees behind my house than there are people in my county and the several surrounding counties...and I've only got three hives. That statement by Cotes and the population figure for each hive seems more like showmanship to me rather than usable information. But, in Cotes defense, I think his take on the food reserves was good...hopefully some beeks can either feed these bees or combine them with other hives. It would be a shame for them to starve to death.

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    tabby, I saw no mention of disease but if they're in a weakened state there could be disease present.

    If they are healthy and were put on good forage I would think they'd do good. Bees know what they need to do, they just need the resources to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeeManiac View Post
    This guy is from a totally different culture not even speaking english.
    Where in the story does it say he doesn't speak English? Are you just assuming because of his Chinese heritage that he can't speak English? And if you are such an expert on the language you might understand that the word is capitalized when used as a proper noun.
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    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...ans-home?lite/

    "Cote said Chen's real estate agent contacted him a few weeks ago and told him that Chen, who only speaks Mandarin..."

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