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    All, I was talking with another beek the other day and the subject of payment came up. I told him that I get 50% up front, and the balance on completion. He indicated that was a bad way to do it. he gets his all in advance. Is there anyone here who does it differently? I mainly pollinate vine crops but that will be changing in 2013. Of course, I want to do what is best to manage my cash flow. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt1954 View Post
    Of course, I want to do what is best to manage my cash flow.
    Are you asking if it is better to have a promise of payment or having the actual payment?

    I find the easiest way to manage cash is to have it!

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    No, I am trying to find out if I am doing in opposite of what the industry is doing.

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    Sorry, no experience I didn't see this was posted in commercial I'll sit back down.

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    Default Re: Payment on Pollination

    Get payment upfront. If they can't afford to pay you at the beginning of pollination, then they wont be able to pay at the end of pollination.

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    That is like saying if a beekeeper can't pay before the flow he can't after, plain nonsense. We get a % up front to confirm the order rest in 30 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt1954 View Post
    No, I am trying to find out if I am doing in opposite of what the industry is doing.
    I understand you are asking for input on what is standard operating procedure, but this is business. It doesn't really matter what others are doing, but what is best for you.
    Mark Berninghausen "Ships at a distance have every man's wish on board." Zora Neale Hurston

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    I got one third in advance, one third on delivery and the other third before the bees came out of blueberries earlier this year. I'm not sure if it will go that way this coming year or not. The apple pollination I have done for the last 15 years I have been paid after delivering the bees and some checks come even after the bees come ouit. I deliver the hives and issue a receipt. One guy pays me when I hand him the receipt, two others mail me a check w/in 30 days, the 4th hands me a check before I leave w/ the bees and another a while later. Haven't been stiffed yet.

    There is no good way or bad way. It's what fits your circumstances and what works. It doesn't hurt to ask for everything up front or some in advance. What do you have to loose? Also, it doesn't hurt to ask the grower for more, especially before you have agreed to do the job. Be prepared to walk away. They want you, you don't need them. It's a business. Treat it like one. Make it pay. Make it worth the while.

    Understand what you are losing by doing poillination and adjust your price accordingly. I am not always successful doing that myself, but that is my advice anyway.
    Mark Berninghausen "Ships at a distance have every man's wish on board." Zora Neale Hurston

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    What Mark describes makes sense. A portion on booking is logical and from the growers standpoint I can understand their not wanting to pay any more until they can confirm that the bees are adequate to do the job that is being contracted and I can also understand the logic of not making the final payment until the job has been completed. Any payment that extends beyond the removal of the bees is a situation where the beekeeper is being taken advantage of and, for sure, any agreement calling for payment after the crop has been harvested is a great big red flag. Pollination is a lot like labor, once you have done the job you deserve a paycheck. Beekeepers provide pollination, bankers loan money.
    "People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe."- Andy Rooney

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    I know someone who buys honey (i know we are discussing pollination here) who pays a portion upon receipt of the honey and so much a month for a number of months. I have sometimes wondered if trhere would be any advantage to a producer to get a monthly paycheck. I certainly would want a really good price for doing things that way.
    Mark Berninghausen "Ships at a distance have every man's wish on board." Zora Neale Hurston

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    up front. Orchard operators are loaded. And all money for the growing season is borrowed before the season. They have it. If they flake about being able to pay it, what makes you think they can deliver product to market and pay you? Never had any complaints. I've even been tipped for bringing quote "The strongest bees I ever did see." I do like those bonus checks.

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    You have some special growers. I have never gotten a bonus.
    Mark Berninghausen "Ships at a distance have every man's wish on board." Zora Neale Hurston

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt1954 View Post
    All, I was talking with another beek the other day and the subject of payment came up. I told him that I get 50% up front, and the balance on completion. He indicated that was a bad way to do it. he gets his all in advance. Is there anyone here who does it differently? I mainly pollinate vine crops but that will be changing in 2013. Of course, I want to do what is best to manage my cash flow. Thanks.
    I see a number of folks writing about blueberry pollination and you are writing about vine crops, not that what is being pollinated is all that important. But, it may indicate what is "normal" in the blueberry growers habits.

    Apparently some folks have gotten burned by growers who were unable or unwilling to pay for the pollination service. I have never, so far, been stiffed. I have been fortunate that way I guess. I also do not have any written contracts w/ my growers. Maybe if I were delivering semi loads to folks who I have not seen face to face I would.

    The growers I deal w/ appear to me to be solvent enough to afford my service. So I don't feel uneasy not getting paid in advance. And I would not expect to get paid the whole biull in advance. Who would do that? Putting all the marbles in my hands. Maybe something would happen and I couldn't deliver, but I already got paid? Good for me, not for the grower.

    What are you getting paid for? You are getting paid to deliver X number of colonies of bees capable of doing what needs done. Getting an advance is something a grower might do to encourage you to do what was agreed upon, but it is a gamble on his part. It also may help you get your hives in shape, which is in the growers interests. So, it is all a matter of what is best for each member. Good luck.
    Mark Berninghausen "Ships at a distance have every man's wish on board." Zora Neale Hurston

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