Watch it, political comments are liable to be deleted or end up in Tailgater.
I have been keeping bees for nine years, four months, 21 days, approximately. I started with 20 three-pound packages and I currently have 28. Most of my current hives are descended from one hive which has survived this entire time with no treatment whatsoever. During that course of time, I have added approximately ten outside queens, five of which are still with me, and one of those has been mother to half a dozen or so others.
I wish I had gotten in on this conversation earlier, but to answer the OP, I have had a hive crawling with mites, dozens of living mites readily visible, with expectation of the collapse of the hive. However, that hive is still with me today. It's not a great performer, but it's still alive. I say you don't know what they can do until you let them try. The ultimate solution for honeybee diseases is for all of them to be treatment free. That's the only way to have a sustainable kept honeybee population without expensive and ineffective treatments.
Solomon Parker, Parker Farms, ParkerFarms.biz
11 Years Treatment-Free, ~25 Colony Baseline
The pesticides that are used on bee colonies are poisons. If you agree with Seregy's point of view that these chemicals are bad for bees in the long run, (I do agree) you might also agree that these chemicals used on human food are also bad for humans in the long run (not everybody does, I do). If you are a believer you see the economics but it is another hot topic that has been discussed before.
Zone 5a, Practicing non-intervention beekeeping
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Last edited by cerezha; 08-16-2012 at 09:27 PM. Reason: ESL
When we commercial beekeepers are able to keep bees w/out mite treatments we will. Just as we did before 1984. Yes, Dean, some will still use fumidil and Tylosin or TM, but I haven't and don't think I will. Diseases I address w/ fire and young queens in strong colonies.
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Mark, when your trucks are moving bees, they literally spread the cancer around! It is not a joke! It is deadly serious - trucks pollution is practically unregulated in US.
I wish everybody healthy life away from chemicals. Sergey
By the way, as a biochemist (my official title, I have many), I could tell you - there is no good (for your life) chemical - all of them bad for animal/insectl/human just in different way. Unfortunately, sometime we need to use them, but once it is a system or overdose, it is always turned bad sooner or later. Using chemicals on wild animals like bees is even more dangerous since we do not know well how wild organism will respond on chemical. In Los Angeles, during 60-es (I was not here) nearly 95% of natural ecosystem was destroyed by pollution. It is not recovered yet. What we have - non-native more aggressive species filling up the gap, africanized bees for instance.
Last edited by cerezha; 08-16-2012 at 09:36 PM. Reason: ESL
Why not just do a few sugar dustings, and leave them be....
5 hives and 8 nucs................... Trying to think inside the box...
"People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe."- Andy Rooney
I am impressed with DEF - Jim, is it mandatory to use? Sergey
This whole thread has gotten so far off track that I am moving on.
To the original poster good luck with whatever choice you make.
Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards