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    Default Commercials Using Apigaurd

    Is anyone using Apigaurd? I saw it in use for the first time yesterday. How many of you are using it? How do you like it? Cost effectiveness evaluation?

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    It's a good product. Works real well between boxes in a double, if you put it on top bars you want to use a rim or recessed lid as there is a tendency to propolize it against the lid. It's a pretty good jolt to the bees and will kill some pupae but they recover pretty quickly. I would stay away from using it if temps over about 90 are expected.
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    What happens to it? Does it volitalize and evaporate? Jim, do you use the white pads that come w/ the tubs?
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    Default Re: Commercials Using Apigaurd

    I have heard that the tolerence is getting much higher in the mites. Anyone seeing this, I am a Formic user but like to switch things up on them buggers.

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    I nearly didnít reply, as you specified commercial and Iím not sure I qualify.
    I have used Apiguard on a couple of hundred hives. It works pretty well. If temps are over 90, reduce the dose. The manufacturerís website says to do this, the US distributor (Dadant) fails to mention it. It is disruptive to the colony. Iíve seen some brood loss, temporary shutdown of brood production and occasional supercedures. These are at higher temps than you may have. I would expect some absconds if you used a full dose at high temps. I use the application cards supplied by Dadant. I tried some 4x6 index cards from an office supply but they absorb much of the fluid. The Dadant cards are coated, so they donít seem to.
    According to the manufacturer, the product works both by contact and as a fumigant. They say to close off screened bottoms.
    Price effective? I guess as much as any of the thymol products. Two applications.
    I just got a couple of tubs this week. I will be using Apiguard and Hopguard this year. Hopguard is clearly more costly but Iím thinking to try it all the same.
    Good luck.
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    Default Re: Commercials Using Apigaurd

    here is the method I use, works well, I do in the spring and fall and haven't had any problems, I especially use it when the temps are to high for formic acid.

    http://scientificbeekeeping.com/the-...ral-miticides/
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    Great Link wb. I don't read enuf of what Randy Oliver writes.
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    It's good stuff. We did a single application in late feb and it got the levels low low low, now if it will ever cool off...

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    Ditto what beemandan says.
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    I am not commercial so not sure if it matters. I had planned on Apiguard being my primary treatment in a week or two but I had to leave town on short notice and threw supers on most of my hives just in case this fall flow was as big as last years. They have drawn and started to fill those so nicely that I am opting for MAQS this season just so I can leave these extra supers on till the end of the season. That to me is the only downside of Apiguard in that you can't always treat when you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beemandan View Post
    I nearly didn’t reply, as you specified commercial and I’m not sure I qualify.
    I have used Apiguard on a couple of hundred hives. Good luck.
    That's why I Posted this Thread in the Commercial Section. So it might get answered by other commercial beekeepers. But, don't worry, I am glad to have your input. This Forum isn't restricted as far as I know. Not like other Forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keth Comollo View Post
    That to me is the only downside of Apiguard in that you can't always treat when you want.
    I thought you could. So, it's not a good idea to slap on the Apigaurd and then add a cpl of supers? But it is alright to do that w/ MAQS?

    I have some MAQS a friend of mine gave me. I threw them on a yd which I took honey from today. Then I supered for goldenrod. Not a great go round for the first crop. Two shallows per hive.
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    Apiguard instructions say do not treat with honey supers on the hive.

    MAQS is fine for use with supers on and is the reason I am using it this fall. Next year I might plan a bit differently (harvest later and leave most of the goldenrod for the bees) and be able to use the Apiguard. I think I may have harvested too early as they are bringing in tons of nectar right now and if I didn't have the extra supers on I imagine they would be busting at the seams.

    One great thing at MAQS is you treat once and are done. If I had hundreds of hives this would have been enough of a reason to use it.
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    Default Re: Commercials Using Apigaurd

    I think there is a danger of tainting any honey produced with a thymol smell. I have heard heresay reports of beekeepers using it during a surplus flow without a problem but there would seem to me to be a lot of variables (honeyflow intensity, temps, ventilation, number of boxes etc.) to make any kind of blanket statement on that. I have experimented with applying thymomite strips in the middle of a double with a medium surplus super on and couldn't detect any odor in the honey at all. I have not tried it with Apiguard though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    That's why I Posted this Thread in the Commercial Section. So it might get answered by other commercial beekeepers.
    I understood but the only commercial reply you'd gotten, at that point, was from Jim Lyon so I figured that there aren't many, if any commercial folks using Apiguard. I'm not surprised. It is relatively expensive and labor intensive. If I were running thousands of hives, I'd have to think long and hard about using it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beemandan View Post
    I understood but the only commercial reply you'd gotten, at that point, was from Jim Lyon so I figured that there aren't many, if any commercial folks using Apiguard. I'm not surprised. It is relatively expensive and labor intensive. If I were running thousands of hives, I'd have to think long and hard about using it.
    Your post is most welcome. Having treated several hundred hives I think your insight is quite helpful. I might disagree with your cost assessment though. At about $1.25 per application (about the same as Thymomite) in my mind it is pretty affordable. The API-life Var wafers get pretty spendy though.
    Last edited by jim lyon; 08-11-2012 at 04:01 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beemandan View Post
    It is relatively expensive and labor intensive.
    You are welcome to comment. No problem.

    At $1.50 per treatment, I don't know that that seems expensive. And it didn't seem all that labor intensive when we were taking the honey off. I guess the second treatment, 14 days later, would be the expensive part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jim lyon View Post
    At about $1.25 per application (about the same as Thymomite) in my mind it is pretty affordable.
    And even less if you use a lower dose because of high temps. I was thinking less about the material cost and more about the labor. Two visits to a couple of hundred hives is bad enough but two to several thousand might be a different matter.
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    So, the second treatment wouldn't get put on 14 days later, it would get applied during the next trip. Surely it's still effective. Maybe not as, but effective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    Surely it's still effective. Maybe not as, but effective.
    How long do you usually go between hive inspections after harvesting honey? To my thinking, if you go more than three weeks between treatments....the effectiveness will be substantially less. If you allow those mites that were in the brood during the first treatment to initiate a second reproductive cycle you've wasted your time.....again in my opinion.
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