Results 1 to 17 of 17

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    sakai, fukui, Japan
    Posts
    25

    Default apis cerana japonica Swarm Split with apis mellifera western queen cells

    Why would ANYONE want to split a healthy swarm?! It's madness! IMO it should never be done, but I have a dilemma... I have a dying colony I call Kawa Bees, apis mellifera western bees, with 4 queen cells and a very healthy Japanese bee swarm of apis cerana japonica, a subspecies of honeybee native ONLY to Japan. I call these the Okera Bees. I want to try to save one of the Kawa queens and create a hybrid bee that is resistant to mites and a good honey producer... so I am splitting the Okera hive and adding a frame with the 2 queen cells to the split without the Okera queen. Here is the video

    Here is the video of the Kawa Bees http://youtu.be/lseLhyyf5gI

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Winhall, VT
    Posts
    1,066

    Default Re: apis cerana japonica Swarm Split with apis mellifera western queen cells

    Once the mellifera hatches won't she tend to mate with mellifera? How are you getting your hybrid?? Perhaps I missed something.
    Raising Vermont Bees one mistake at a time.
    USDA Zone 5A

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    covington ga
    Posts
    173

    Default Re: apis cerana japonica Swarm Split with apis mellifera western queen cells

    keth...what do you expect from someone who drives from the wrong side of the car....LOL

  4. #4
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Elkin, NC, USA
    Posts
    84

    Default Re: apis cerana japonica Swarm Split with apis mellifera western queen cells

    I can't imagine that there could be any true hybridization -- mixing of genes. Still, it would be interesting to see how a blended hive would organize itself. I'd love to look in on an inspection.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Concord, CA
    Posts
    4,111

    Default Re: apis cerana japonica Swarm Split with apis mellifera western queen cells

    As Keth mentioned, you won't get a hybrid unless the newly hatched queen mated with drones from the other species. I'm not sure that's even possible, or the bees in you're region would already be all hybrids.
    Dan

  6. #6
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Sacramento, CA, USA
    Posts
    2,755

    Default Re: apis cerana japonica Swarm Split with apis mellifera western queen cells

    Can they even hyrbidize is the question? Wouldn't it have been done already?

  7. #7
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    sakai, fukui, Japan
    Posts
    25

    Default Re: apis cerana japonica Swarm Split with apis mellifera western queen cells

    I am guessing that over 99% of the bees in Japan are gone due to the simple fact that Japan is the #1 user of systemic pesticides worldwide. Japanese bees are very rare and I spent the entire spring and summer seeking them and found none... beekeeping in Japan is a hobby actively and most beekeepers are purist...

  8. #8
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    sakai, fukui, Japan
    Posts
    25

    Default Re: apis cerana japonica Swarm Split with apis mellifera western queen cells

    Quote Originally Posted by StewRoten View Post
    I can't imagine that there could be any true hybridization -- mixing of genes. Still, it would be interesting to see how a blended hive would organize itself. I'd love to look in on an inspection.
    You can. I have a Ipad hook up and you can come along via a skype:foundup for video call. I'm not sure if she will actually mate... but if the virgin in in a hive of a.cerana drones... she MAY think that is the drones to mate with. A previous western queen already mated once with Sumo drone and now I know why she came back missing a fore leg and with a drone penis still in her... Japanese a cerana drones are massive possibly one of the biggest drones out there. They are so big because they play the role of a limbacker and are changed with holding down the massive Japanese Hornet so the rest of the bees can get around it to cook it.

    Update the a. cerana bees ripped out one off the Western Queen cells and I had to innovate what I am calling a "Frame Cage" http://j.mp/frameCage
    Here is a video

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Ads