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    Default My crude Frame Fixture

    This is my crude frame fixture. Last link is a video.

    Jim L, you could take this to a full blown automated fixture by adding cylinders to drive in the top and bottom bar and staplers of course. The staples I used were crown by 1 long so I used two staples per end. If it was a 3/8 crown staple I think you could get away with one for each end.

    BTW I used a package of foundation which is wrapped from Betterrbee in 10 pieces lots back in June of last year and it is still flatter than a pancake. I had no trouble slipping it in the bottom bar groove and laying the hooked end into the top bar. I used a hand stapler to hold in the wedge but next time I am going to try hot wax or maybe bees wax to secure the wedge.


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    Default Re: My crude Frame Fixture

    Neat Ace!

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    Default Re: My crude Frame Fixture

    Oh man, watch that thumb Ace.

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    Default Re: My crude Frame Fixture

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Palmer View Post
    Oh man, watch that thumb Ace.
    What do you mean?
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    Default Re: My crude Frame Fixture

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Palmer View Post
    Oh man, watch that thumb Ace.
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    What do you mean?
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    Yeah, I went back and looked at it. You see I re-positioned my thumb farther down where the staple couldn't reach if it popped out the side.
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    Default Re: My crude Frame Fixture

    I don't understand what we are looking at. Frame nailing jig?

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    That's a pretty clever design Brian.

    Pleeese, keep your hand out of the way when using that gun.
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    Default Re: My crude Frame Fixture

    I differ with you Acebird in that I set my staples cross grain rather than into the end grain. Also, I glue then staple. Everybody to his own flavor. Still, nice jig, unique thinking and good craftsmanship.
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    Default Re: My crude Frame Fixture

    Now, that's using your noggin. I like it!
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    I tried to pull apart the frame grabbing the top and bottom bar near an end bar and I couldn't do it. Then for the heck of it I squirted some super glue (CA) around the joints. I really don't think glue is necessary. With all the moisture swings in a hive I don't think a glue joint is going to last. I think people should staple something and then try to pull the staples out. My suggestion is find a pallet that is stapled so you don't have to buy a staple gun to test the theory. You will get an appreciation for how hard a staple comes out.

    If you are going to go cross grain then you might as well use a brad nailer. I think that is weaker then a staple. Anybody have access to a pull tester? I am willing to donate a frame to test and Julysun can donate one of his and we can see where we stand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by odfrank View Post
    I don't understand what we are looking at. Frame nailing jig?
    Did you view the video?
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    Default Re: My crude Frame Fixture

    Ace, nice jig. Are you expanding or hoping for a bumper year?

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    Nah, I was just bored and trying to point the big honey producers in a direction that would keep China away. Automation is the only way we will keep or grow manufacturing in this country. The problem is bean counters don't understand automation or they are afraid of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acebird View Post
    You will get an appreciation for how hard a staple comes out.
    I can vouch for that.
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    Default Re: My crude Frame Fixture

    Impressive work.

    For those who glue, Ace has invented a gluing jig as well. A coat of poly on the jig to aid cleanup and a paint brush glues ten ends at a time with one swipe while in the jig.

    I have a couple of frames that pulled out when I used to staple with the end grain. Now bottom bar gets an end grain staple at the same time as the 45 degree top bar staple.
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    Excellent Ace! I like your work space. Gold Medal!

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    Default Re: My crude Frame Fixture

    Ross that is a good fixture for doing batch quantities by hand but my intent was that this work cell would be automated. What my fixture does is hold the end bars square and at the right distance so they can be inserted into the top bar. The end bars are also located so the bottom bar could be inserted automatically and of course the nailing or stapling too. Dispensing glue gets messy but that could be done if it were really necessary. If my mocked up fixture was carried out to it's full potential your fixture wouldn't even be in the running for time cycle because most of the time spent would be loading staples and magazines of parts.

    Just as a comparison to as it stands now each frame takes 40 sec. So that would be under 7 minutes for 10 frames. How fast are you doing them? Have you timed yourself.
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    Default Re: My crude Frame Fixture

    Brian,
    The thru put timing if great, but the down side is not having glue on the frames. I would not want to buy or assemble frames that are not glued, and unfortunately I believe there are a significant number of others who feel the same way. If there were some way to include gluing in the process, you might have a real winner.
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