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    Default Honey Bee Counter - Live Data

    Hey All,

    For the next couple of days I'll be sharing some Live Bee Counter Data here... : Live Google Docs

    Its a small hive with only two deeps but I'll be adding a super hopefully later today or tomorrow.

    Here's a link to the Instructable on how I built the counter: http://www.instructables.com/id/Honey-Bee-Counter/

    Here's a recent calibration video:
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    Default Re: Honey Bee Counter - Live Data

    I'm a tech nut myself, not sure what good information is to be gleaned fro this, but I like it! Keep up the good tech work, and maybe someday u will create something that I may be interested in buying.

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    Hey, thanks for the encouragement.. its a lot of fun to design the stuff... design for MFG is a big step in a totally new direction.. That said, I am assembling two kits for the Oregon State University Bee Lab next week...

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    Default Re: Honey Bee Counter - Live Data

    Nice job.
    Hydronics, you ever thought of using a pic chip so you could make a longer tunnel to weigh the bees before and after arrival? Next thing is putting a PLC on the side of the hive with wireless SCADA.

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    Default Re: Honey Bee Counter - Live Data

    So cool

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    Default Re: Honey Bee Counter - Live Data

    Now what you need is a real time air temp reading taken near the hive and graphed along with the traffic on a 2nd axis. Then you will begin to understand what is going on. Next you will want a hive scale as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy View Post
    Now what you need is a real time air temp reading taken near the hive and graphed along with the traffic on a 2nd axis. Then you will begin to understand what is going on. Next you will want a hive scale as well.
    yea... these are all good ideas... I like the idea of measuring outside temperature locally... I tried pulling that information in from the internet but I haven't found any good sites that update more periodically than every two hours... and closer than the Portland Airport...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisH View Post
    Nice job.
    Hydronics, you ever thought of using a pic chip so you could make a longer tunnel to weigh the bees before and after arrival? Next thing is putting a PLC on the side of the hive with wireless SCADA.
    send me a cut sheet on your pic chip/scale... thanks!

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    Default Re: Honey Bee Counter - Live Data

    Very cool. Did you try integrating the area under the 2 curves to see if you have a net loss, or gain, of bees?

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    Default Re: Honey Bee Counter - Live Data

    Very cool! This falls in the category of "ideas I had that somebody is probably already working on." I've done one-minute entrance counts to assess hive activity and figured it would be possible to do it digitally, albeit with a bit more time commitment than I was willing to put in. I'd be interested in one of those kits if you start producing them for sale. The OSU bee lab is right down the road from me and my GF works there part time, so maybe I'll get to see them in action...

    ~Mark

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    Default Re: Honey Bee Counter - Live Data

    Looking at some of the data, I'm wondering if it's overestimating based on bees hanging around the entrance. In particular the numbers for late evening (~1 bee per second in and out at 9:15 pm) look suspicious to me. I usually see bees near the entrance then but very few actually flying in/out.

    Maybe there would be a way to move the counter a few inches from the hive entrance with a screen tunnel between to minimize this effect.

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    Default Re: Honey Bee Counter - Live Data

    Quote Originally Posted by Luterra View Post
    Looking at some of the data, I'm wondering if it's overestimating based on bees hanging around the entrance. In particular the numbers for late evening (~1 bee per second in and out at 9:15 pm) look suspicious to me. I usually see bees near the entrance then but very few actually flying in/out.

    Maybe there would be a way to move the counter a few inches from the hive entrance with a screen tunnel between to minimize this effect.
    Yep, I think you are right... the night activity is totally OFF... the bees come out on the porch and hang out... I was also thinking along the same lines as you that you can play around with the entrance to minimize this impact... we'll see where that goes.

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    Default Re: Honey Bee Counter - Live Data

    Quote Originally Posted by Luterra View Post
    Looking at some of the data, I'm wondering if it's overestimating based on bees hanging around the entrance. In particular the numbers for late evening (~1 bee per second in and out at 9:15 pm) look suspicious to me. I usually see bees near the entrance then but very few actually flying in/out.

    Maybe there would be a way to move the counter a few inches from the hive entrance with a screen tunnel between to minimize this effect.
    I figured it out... its the error... close to 200,000 bees counted with a 5% error equals like 10,000 bees off. Ouch! If they are split evenly between ins and outs you get zero... if not (as in my case) you get a skewed total.... -tom

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    Default Re: Honey Bee Counter - Live Data

    add astrological data to the clock time stamps.... 8:00 pm doesnt really mean much but "sun set" or "twilight" does....(same with 5 am vs sunrise) bees dont carry wrist watches

    Is the total number in/out at any given time most important? or are we just curious about the delta between any given times. That is to say, I am interested in peek fly times? so i see the graph climbing peak and then falling... vs knowing what the actual number is?

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    I think your work is fascinating! I am interested in watching it progress.
    Now does anyone have a bee cam/ with gps mounted on one of the girls.... that would be ultimate! Hydronics - I think you are capable!

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    Quote Originally Posted by schmism View Post
    add astrological data to the clock time stamps.... 8:00 pm doesnt really mean much but "sun set" or "twilight" does....(same with 5 am vs sunrise) bees dont carry wrist watches

    Is the total number in/out at any given time most important? or are we just curious about the delta between any given times. That is to say, I am interested in peek fly times? so i see the graph climbing peak and then falling... vs knowing what the actual number is?
    Schmism, I added a chart that subtracts Bees Out from Bees In.... there is a little error in the data that skews a positive count... if you understand this, the chart shows that most bees are outside the hive at ~11:20AM .. per your above comment it would be interesting to compare this to the astrological time..



    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...U2Q0ZFE#gid=16

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    Quote Originally Posted by stever View Post
    I think your work is fascinating! I am interested in watching it progress.
    Now does anyone have a bee cam/ with gps mounted on one of the girls.... that would be ultimate! Hydronics - I think you are capable!
    thx stever.. no GPS yet but RFID's been done... pretty cool stuff: http://whyfiles.org/2012/honeybees-getting-lost/

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    Default Re: Honey Bee Counter - Live Data

    Incredible.
    Keep up your great work on the counter!

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    Default Re: Honey Bee Counter - Live Data

    Quote Originally Posted by casinoken View Post
    I'm a tech nut myself, not sure what good information is to be gleaned fro this, but I like it! Keep up the good tech work, and maybe someday u will create something that I may be interested in buying.
    It seems it would be good to monitor swarms. If there was a mass exodus from the hive showing up on the counter that didn't return. It could be interesting too if they were a huge difference in the numbers, and it directly coincides with a local insecticide spray or something. I also think it would be interesting if it was to catch data on a CCD hive. Then you could monitor the rate of decline etc.

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    Default Re: Honey Bee Counter - Live Data

    That's just too cool for school... nice..

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