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  1. #61
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    Default Re: PH120 foundation

    Hi Barry, looking forward to see photos. What made you mount the bottom flange into the bottom bar? Bees usually start drawing out from the top to the bottom if I observed right.
    Cheers Henning
    Last edited by Barry; 07-01-2013 at 08:32 PM.

  2. #62
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    Default Re: PF-120 foundation

    Got a chance to measure some of the PF120 combs today. These are from my neighbor's hive. She started beekeeping this year and doing very well at that!

    http://www.beesource.com/imgs/barry/pf120measure_1.jpg
    http://www.beesource.com/imgs/barry/pf120measure_2.jpg
    http://www.beesource.com/imgs/barry/pf120measure_3.jpg
    http://www.beesource.com/imgs/barry/pf120measure_4.jpg

    10 cells each at 4.9mm equals 1-15/16". Looks like the Cali bees started on the PF120's got pretty darn close to being spot on.

    http://www.beesource.com/imgs/barry/pf120measure_5.jpg

    Here's a typical frame of finished comb. I'm very impressed with the results and will start converting my own hives over to the plastic foundation fitted into my wooden frames. Tried a few of the plastic PF120 frames and didn't like the results. Prying near the end of the top bar flexes the whole plastic top bar.
    Regards, Barry

  3. #63
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    Carlsford, Indiana, USA
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    Default Re: PF-120 foundation

    I cut out sections of PF-105 with a bandsaw for the handmade frames in my box hive project. The results have been great. I like the way everything stands out against the black!

  4. #64
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    Default Re: PF-120 foundation

    Today I cut the foundation out of PF-106 plastic frames. I set the saw up so the saw kerf would be just to the inside of the plastic frame parts. The remaining piece of foundation measured 16-13/16" X 8-3/8". After cutting the cell walls off at the top and bottom, the foundation fit perfect into either a grooved top/bottom wood deep frame or a wedge top/groove bottom frame. A bit more time involved in cutting the cells walls off, but a jig could be made to speed this up a lot.

    Regards, Barry

  5. #65
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    Default Re: PF-120 foundation

    Finally got around to cutting some PF106 plastic frames down today. I have some deep frames from Shastina I want to try out, so got to work. These wood frames have a grooved top and bottom bar.


    I start with a piece of 3/4" pine, 16-7/8" x 8-3/8". Lay the frame over the board and push frame and board against the fence. I set the blade to cut just inside the bottom bar.




    The board supports the plastic and leaves a small space between the blade so there is no binding.


    Bottom off.


    I proceed to cut the end bars off using the same board pushed to the opposite side and the miter gauge. Again, cut just inside the end bars.
    Regards, Barry

  6. #66
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    Default Re: PF-120 / PF-106 foundation




    With the end bars gone, last cut the bottom bar.




    The best place for plastic frame parts, also called SHB hotels, is in the recycling can.
    Regards, Barry

  7. #67
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    Default Re: PF-120 / PF-106 foundation

    That seems like a lot of work. Do you think any bee equipment supplier might be "considering" manufacturing SC plastic foundation sheets?
    To everything there is a season....

  8. #68
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    Default Re: PF-120 / PF-106 foundation

    I have an email in to Nick at Acorn. Don't know, but I won't be buying more of Mann Lake. I'll be using these in some experiments I'm doing.
    Regards, Barry

  9. #69
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    Default Re: PF-120 / PF-106 foundation

    Nick says just a rumor. Their foundation size is 5.28.
    Regards, Barry

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