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    Default PF-120 foundation

    Received my order of PF120's (Mann Lake) today. Having used the Dadant plastic 4.9 in trials and it not working so well, I can see why this design works so well for many. Don't like plastic frames, so I'm cutting off all the frames and putting the foundation into my wooden frames. Works just fine.




    Used a piece of 3/4" plywood to set the frame on and run through the table saw leaving the bottom bar attached.


    Fits nicely into a wooden frame.


    Completed frame.
    Last edited by Barry; 07-10-2012 at 03:18 PM.
    Regards, Barry

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    Default Re: PH120 foundation

    I still have five sheets of the Dadant stuff. Did not even get part of one done correctly on multiple tries. You can have it if you want it.
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    Default Re: PH120 foundation

    No, I have my box of it that I'll keep for my collection of failed foundations. Have some aluminum foundation as well. But to their credit, they were the first to spend time and money on developing a plastic SC foundation.
    Regards, Barry

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    Default Re: PH120 foundation

    What do you not like about the plastic frames?
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    Default Re: PH120 foundation

    The plastic part of them. I don't like the feel, I don't like the look, and I don't like the flexibility. I'm a wood guy.
    Regards, Barry

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    Default Re: PH120 foundation

    I've deployed about 200 pf125s this year - the first time I've really tried plastic frames. I definately prefer wooden frames, but probably not enough to go to that much trouble.

    Shame it isn't available in sheets.

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    Default Re: PH120 foundation

    Quote Originally Posted by Solomon Parker View Post
    I still have five sheets of the Dadant stuff. Did not even get part of one done correctly on multiple tries. You can have it if you want it.
    Solomon, if you still have that 4.9 plastic foundation I would like to get it from you, or if you know anyone who has any let me know. I need a few sheets for an experiment I want to try.

    Thanks
    Beeman
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    Default Re: PH120 foundation

    If you trim PF120's to remove all four frame edges, the remaining, PF120 foundation will fit in medium frames with grooved Top and Bottom Bars (sometimes I find that I need to shave a 1/8" wide strips both top and bottom, removing some of the cell walls, so the foundation will, more easily fit in the wooden frame grooves), this is how I do mine.
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    Default Re: PH120 foundation

    Quote Originally Posted by beeman2009 View Post
    if you still have that 4.9 plastic foundation I would like to get it from you, or if you know anyone who has any let me know. I need a few sheets for an experiment I want to try.Thanks
    I have a few ten sheet boxes (8.5") I could part with. I have found no value trying small cell.

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    Default Re: PH120 foundation

    Quote Originally Posted by odfrank View Post
    I have a few ten sheet boxes (8.5") I could part with. I have found no value trying small cell.
    odfrank,

    PM me with info about this. I am very much interested.

    Thanks
    Beeman
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    Default Re: PH120 foundation

    Beeman, you can order 4.9 foundation from ML as well.

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    Default Re: PH120 foundation

    Quote Originally Posted by JRG13 View Post
    Beeman, you can order 4.9 foundation from ML as well.
    JRG13,

    Thanks for that info. I must have missed it when I looked. I only found the PH120. I wanted just foundation sheets if I could find them otherwise this was my next choice. I really need deep foundation for my experiment.
    Beeman
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    Default Re: PH120 foundation

    Update on my PF120's.


    Finished frame. Ah, the feel of wood!


    I ended up nailing the bottom flange into the bottom bar.


    I trimmed the top edge so it would fit into the top groove.


    Took off half the thickness.
    Regards, Barry

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    Default Re: PH120 foundation

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Received my order of PF120's (Mann Lake) today.
    Wow!
    Very ambitious project. Very nice job. How many frames? Sergey

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    Default Re: PH120 foundation

    I ordered 30 frames (mediums), enough for one hive. After I see how this goes, I'll either order a lot more or keep using my wax foundation.
    Regards, Barry

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    Default Re: PH120 foundation

    I have been using Mann Lake PF120 for three years and it has worked great. I always install 10 fames in a box. After the bees draw the comb in a honey super, I usually remove one frame and space out the remaining 9 to make the comb deeper and eaiser to remove the caps

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    Default Re: PH120 foundation

    dang it Barry, I was jusr thinking about my order for next year (everal hundred pf 120's) and how I like the foundation but hate all the ladder comb due to the top bar being thinner. Now I will probably spend hours and hours cutting them and putting them in wooden frames.

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    Default Re: PH120 foundation

    Getting them built out is the trick. You need a good flow on for that. So I put in built comb every other frame so 5 and 5 and they seem to do it quicker.

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    Default Re: PH120 foundation

    Quote Originally Posted by oblib View Post
    dang it Barry, I was jusr thinking about my order for next year (everal hundred pf 120's) and how I like the foundation but hate all the ladder comb due to the top bar being thinner. Now I will probably spend hours and hours cutting them and putting them in wooden frames.
    Wondered what has been causing all the burr comb, it's a pain and I don't have that issue with wooden frames.

    Can't see spending $1.75 for frames though and still needing another frame

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