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  1. #1
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    Default 9 Frame Natural Comb

    Hi,

    I am considering trying some foundationless frames and letting the bees build their own combs. I have ten frame equipment but would like to run it all 9 frames. Will this work with natural comb?

    Thanks

  2. #2
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    Default Re: 9 Frame Natural Comb

    It will work better to draw the comb with all 10 (or 11) frames tight in the box. Once drawn, you can space them wider; to do otherwise invites cross, burr, doubled and drone comb.

  3. #3
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    Default Re: 9 Frame Natural Comb

    >Will this work with natural comb?

    In the supers, sure. In the brood nest, no. 9 frames does not work well in a brood nest with any kind of frames in my opinion. I run 11 in a 10 frame box and 9 in an eight frame box.

    http://www.bushfarms.com/beesfaqs.htm#framespacing
    http://www.bushfarms.com/beesframewidth.htm
    http://www.bushfarms.com/beesfoundationless.htm
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Default Re: 9 Frame Natural Comb

    There are no conditions where I would run 9 frames in a 10 frame box as a brood nest. I purchased some colonies several years ago that had 9 frames for brood. It was a tremendous mess to clean up. IMO, you are better off with 10 or 11 frames.
    DarJones - 45 years, 10 colonies (max 40), sideliner, treatment free since 2005, 11 frame broodnest, small cell

  5. #5
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    Default Re: 9 Frame Natural Comb

    If you have larger space on the edges of the brood box the bees will draw the outside comb wider & fill it with honey.
    It will be more difficult to remove the outside frame. with 9 than it would with 10
    Dan

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    Default Re: 9 Frame Natural Comb

    CentralBee; If you plan on using the frames spaced at their design spacing of 1 3/8 inches center to center and the extra space filled with a dummy board, then foundationless would work fine. The bees would draw comb just as though they were in 10 frames in a 10 box.

    I am not a fan of foundationless comb, but if I intended to have it drawn, I would do it between frames of brood in an established colony. After I had several frames drawn and brood in it, then I would use it in a single hive body split and draw the remaining comb there. You have a better chance of mostly worker cells being drawn between frames of brood.
    37 years - 25 colonies - IPM disciple - naturally skeptic

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