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  1. #1
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    Default First year - opinions wanted!

    I have 3 hives, two of which seem to be good and strong. The third seems to be stagnating, but I'm not sure what to do. I saw the queen a week ago, but couldn't find her today (but i assume she's in there), and the brood pattern is very spotty. They're in 3 medium 10-frame boxes, but the third box is virtually unused. I took a bunch of pictures today, and was hoping for feedback. Do I need to requeen? Do you see anything that looks concerning aside from the lack of activity?

    Bottom Box:
    Top of box: http://imgur.com/a/CceDI#8
    Foundationless Frame: (added a week ago, formerly there were only 9 frames in the box) http://imgur.com/a/CceDI#9
    Brood Frame: http://imgur.com/a/CceDI#11

    Second Box:
    Top of box: http://imgur.com/a/CceDI#2
    Brood Frame: http://imgur.com/a/CceDI#3
    Brood Frame: http://imgur.com/a/CceDI#5
    Brood Frame: http://imgur.com/a/CceDI#6

    Thanks
    bsquad

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    Default Re: First year - opinions wanted!

    Am I seeing black gunk on the bottom of cells. Do you have European fould brood? I had chalkbrood bad enough that a lot of my colonies looked just like that, except my spots were white mummies not melted down larvae. Do you have eggs and larvae? I can't see em. Some of the backfilled broodframes where there is mostly honey with spots of capped brood resembles a hive that has swarmed. I like the pictures just not close up enough. This colony was obviously stronger a while ago. I think it swarmed or is going down hill from EFB. I would call a state inspector to make sure.

  3. #3
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    Default Re: First year - opinions wanted!

    Some of the foundation is black, some white (hoping to transition to foundationless, but not moving too quickly towards that), I don't believe there is an EFB problem, pretty sure that's just the foundation. I wasn't able to see eggs, but I'm a rookie, so I might have missed them. I was mostly concerned by the pattern of the capped brood.

    You can see some larvae in http://imgur.com/a/CceDI#11 if you zoom in (upper right icon) but it's not brand new larvae, pretty good sized.
    Last edited by bsquad; 06-24-2012 at 11:30 PM. Reason: Wrong image linked(!)

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    Default Re: First year - opinions wanted!

    Also, only pictures 1-14 are from this hive. The later ones are from other hives.

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    Default Re: First year - opinions wanted!

    Bsquad,I took a look at all your photos,hears my thoughts.
    The shotgun brood patern could point out a frustrated new queen since the shotgun patern looks like older brood.she may not have had a good comb to work with.but then tightend up the brood patern once she rely got going and the comb started looking more inviting.the tight brood patern you do have looks fresh capped and a tight patern ,other then that I see no sign of foul brood.you population looks good remember up to 1/4 of the bees are out working.and the population should really takeoff shortly.i would recamend scraping off the burr/cross comb.
    I would also remove the 3rd box.and wait till there about to boil over to replace it.
    If you see egs or reeeeely small larva you should be ok.the egs and larva are just as important During an inspectian as a good brood patern.no eggs means you mite have squished her on your last visit.or something may have takin place to slow her brood production.or she's just gon.
    Sometimes it may take a bit for them to explode in population,you also have drones cooking to,that's a big pluss.


    Bee patient
    Hope myto cents helps!!!

  6. #6
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    Default Re: First year - opinions wanted!

    I've decided to go with the Michael Bush 'panacea' treatment (http://www.bushfarms.com/beespanacea.htm) and see if we can't get things rolling.

  7. #7
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    Default Re: First year - opinions wanted!

    A new queen won't help all that much if you have EFB in there.

    I know, I lost a hive this year to EFB.

    Look at the larvae in there -- if any of them are tan or brown instead of pearly white before being capped, you are very likely suffering with EFB. Another clue will be rubbery brown scales on the bottom of the hive. The larvae die before being capped, and melt down into brown goo. The bees can pull the scale that form out and discard it, but that also spreads the bacteria around. The cells with dead larvae will also have a tan to brown slime in them, but it won't string out like AFB.

    If you find brown larvae melting into goo, you need to treat with terramycin, and feed syrup and protein if you are not doing so. That should help you out, and you can then requeen once things settle down.

    There seems to be a sudden increase in people seeing EFB all of a sudden, don't know why. Usually goes away promptly when treated, but some people have had stubborn cases.

    At any rate, DO NOT exchange any equipment from this hive with your others.

    Peter

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