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    Default Bee's ejecting larvae after moving frames around

    I installed a 5 frame nuc 3 weeks ago and they have not even drawn out one whole frame yet. There are 2 half drawn and one partial. I moved the 2 frames of solid honey, one to each outer wall. I also moved a brood frame and put a undrawn foundation in its spot. Tonight I checked them and they were on front perch dropping larvae on the ground and trying to fly off with them. Why would it be taking them so long to draw out the foundation. Why would they eject their own larvae? I went back out there and put the brood frame back where it was hoping they would stop. They definitely dont like being messed with at night, smoke or no smoke.

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    Default Re: Bee's ejecting larvae after moving frames around

    If you moved that frame of brood to far away from the cluster of bees, they got too cold and the larvae died. The bees are removing the dead larvae and cleaning the cells out for eventual re-use.

    If they have not drawn any frames out, you currently do not have a nectar flow and you should be feeding them until you get a nectar flow.

    I would suggest you do not separate brood frames from each other unless you have plenty of bees to cover them and you have a specific reason for doing so. The bees will manage expanding the brood nest all by themselves, it's rarely necessary to "help" them with it.

    Tomorrow, put the honey frames back next to the brood nest and feed them 1:1 syrup if you are not currently. If you have open brood with little or no pollen going in, I would also feed either dry pollen supplement or a partial pollen supplement patty -- be careful with the latter, as the small hive beetles will take over if the bees are not using it.

    It can take a while for a nuc to start expanding -- three weeks is a single round of brood.

    Peter

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    Default Re: Bee's ejecting larvae after moving frames around

    I have been feeding them from day one, 1:1 surup and pollen patties. I have seen threads where packages had drawn 6-7 frames in two weeks. Nuc's are supposed to give you a head start, I would have thought they would have drawn most of the empty frames by now.

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    Default Re: Bee's ejecting larvae after moving frames around

    If you are using plastic foundation I have found that it takes much longer for them to draw it out...Good advice from psfred....Oh wouldn't advise messing with the girls at night, they need their beauty sleep, and they think you are a bear...Best to look in on them during nice sunny days when most of the hive is out foraging.

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    Thumbs Up Re: Bee's ejecting larvae after moving frames around

    Bees crawl at night. I got stung two hundred times one night. It was just a few bees crawling up my arms and stinging through my shirt, it wasn't that bad. Haven't done anything at night since.
    LeeB
    I try to learn from my mistakes, and from yours when you give me a heads up :)

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    Default Re: Bee's ejecting larvae after moving frames around

    They were definitely more aggressive but I moved fast and put that frame of brood back where it had been. No stings, but I was geared up!

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    Default Re: Bee's ejecting larvae after moving frames around

    I had the same thing happen when I tried to prematurely encourage them to move up a box. I moved up a frame of brood into the top box and two days later they abandoned the frame and the brood chilled. It took a couple weeks for them to move up there again and start cleaning out the dead.

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    Default Re: Bee's ejecting larvae after moving frames around

    This is crazy, they are pulling out larva again tonight. Last night I had moved brood frame back to where it had been by the other brood frame and not messed with them all day. I went to look just a minute ago and they are doing the same thing tonight they were doing last night, pulling out larva and dropping them over the edge of their landing perch...
    Also when I moved that frame yesterday it of course was covered by nurse bee's, so I dont see how it could have overcooled. Even if it did, why are they doing the same thing again tonight and the frame is back where it had started. Very discouraging, especially after them pulling the comb so slow.

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    Default Re: Bee's ejecting larvae after moving frames around

    Check the discarded brood for mites. If you have hygenic bees, they may be pulling excessive numbers of mite infested larvae.

    Also check for chalkbrood (white fuzzy pupae).

    Peter

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    Default Re: Bee's ejecting larvae after moving frames around

    Well I have figured out the problem, it was small hive beetle's. The nuc I bought locally was infested and I didnt know it. They uncapped everything today and bearded front of hive in preparation to swarm. I had to clean out the hive and the only thing I had to put them in was the nuc. I put all new foundation in the nuc and placed the bee's in it. All to no avail, within 30 min they bearded again and took off leaving hundred's of bee's that were hatched too early crawling all over the ground. Like an idiot I spent like 3hrs rescuing bee's by hand and placing them in the cleaned main hive. Bout had heat stroke. lol Those pricks I got the nuc from knew it was infested, they had to. When I first opened the nuc up there were beetle's crawling all over the place, but I gave them no mind thinking this was normal. They could at least have recommended I buy a beetle trap, me being a noob beek and all. Live and learn.

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    Default Re: Bee's ejecting larvae after moving frames around

    Bummer. I suspect you didn't capture the queen, as they would have moved right into a fresh hive otherwise.

    Small hive beetles are a real problem in the South. We have some this year due to the VERY mild winter, but I'm sure next year it will be horribly cold again and kill them all off.

    I would put SHB traps of some sort in ALL your hives in the future. Screen bottom board with an oil tray work very well, so do several of the other traps.

    Peter

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