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    Default Ant Bait Traps, Bee Safe?

    I have a couple boxes of those ant bait traps on stakes, the kind the foragers take back to the nest and kills the ant queen. Just wondering if anyone knows if bees would be attracted to whatever the bait is in those things, as well as ants?

    No use putting out bait traps for ants if they end up wiping out my hive at the same time.
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    Default Re: Ant Bait Traps, Bee Safe?

    Well, you did not specify which brand product you are considering, so one must assume the poison is toxic to bees as well as ants. The solution to that is to make sure that the bees cannot physically access the bait.

    The entry holes to the bait must be small enough so that the bees cannot get in there, or you need to provide supplementary blocking by putting the product inside a box/bucket/container that the ants can get into, but the bees cannot.
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    Default Re: Ant Bait Traps, Bee Safe?

    Yeah, guess that would be relevant information, wouldn't it?
    http://www.amazon.com/Central-Garden...nt+bait+stakes
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    Default Re: Ant Bait Traps, Bee Safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Edymnion View Post
    Yeah, guess that would be relevant information, wouldn't it?
    http://www.amazon.com/Central-Garden...nt+bait+stakes
    I think that's very safe. I use the sprinkle kind as I'm over run with fire ants. I've never noticed dead bees following any treatments, and never saw any detriment to the hive. I'm sure I could lose hundreds that are hauled off and I would never know it, but I've never seen any dead bees or noticed any harm to the hive when using Amdro. I don't think it attracts bees, thou it's suppose to be sweet to the ants. Anyway the benefits far outweigh the risks for me. I may try the stake kind for right next to the hives. I use feet with oil to keep ants out of the hive.
    The oil does kill bees.

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    Default Re: Ant Bait Traps, Bee Safe?

    I like the Amdro it works very well. I was concerned also when I had a small ant bed move in front of my hive so I placed a board to cover the sprinkles to help deter the bees from picking it up. I never noticed any problem

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    Default Re: Ant Bait Traps, Bee Safe?

    http://www.terro.com/products/outdoor-ant-baits


    Here's the one I use. It worked well for both small red sugar ants and the 1/2" long black ants. The entrance is small enough that bees cannot get into. For added safety you could place the trap in another container with 1/8" holes in it as well.

    Also, if you have Borax at home, you can easily make your own bait (I refill my traps with this):
    • 1/2 cup Hot Water
    • 1 Cup Sugar
    • 2 Tbsp Borax

    Stir ingredients until dissolved.

    ***or just use a bit of 2:1 sugar syrup and some borax. Or some jelly and borax....Just LABEL the jar! (or mix up whatever bit you need to use at one time.

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    Default Re: Ant Bait Traps, Bee Safe?

    E: Do you know where the ant colonies are? Amdro makes granules, too, which I used to treat a monster hive near my Mothers colonies in New England. I found where the ant tunnels were most active, dug down a little bit, and carefully sprinkled the granules in, then buried. Ants gone, and no chance the bees could get to it. Just a thought! Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do!

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    Default Re: Ant Bait Traps, Bee Safe?

    Amdro is great. If you are dealing with the black wood ants you may not know where the nest is. The foragers can travel 100 meters. A football field!
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    Default Re: Ant Bait Traps, Bee Safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by jrbbees View Post
    Amdro is great. If you are dealing with the black wood ants you may not know where the nest is. The foragers can travel 100 meters. A football field!
    My homemade bait took care of the Black Carpenter Ants in less than a week, from placement to not seeing ants anymore. They found the bait in less than 10 hours and had hundreds coming and going within a day....their fate was sealed.

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    Default Re: Ant Bait Traps, Bee Safe?

    I've had pretty good luck controlling the ant access to the hives by putting diatomaceous earth around the base of the stand. The ants will circle it, but won't really go through it. Just know that it's rendered useless if it's wet.

    I tried using the Terro product, the ants took the bait, but it didn't seem to be effective at all.

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    Default Re: Ant Bait Traps, Bee Safe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stingy View Post
    I've had pretty good luck controlling the ant access to the hives by putting diatomaceous earth around the base of the stand. The ants will circle it, but won't really go through it. Just know that it's rendered useless if it's wet.

    I tried using the Terro product, the ants took the bait, but it didn't seem to be effective at all.
    I had the opposite experience. I used diatomaceous earth and then tried wood ashes, as I was told this would definitely prevent the ants from getting to the hives. I watched expectantly, as the ants left the hive and walked right across my "barrier" passing their kin walking across in the other direction.

    Could have been local climatic conditions or something in my area, I'm glad it worked for you though.

    I think the ant bait product effectiveness is dependent on the size of the ant colony. There has to be enough bait available for them to feed it to every other ant in the colony. I have never had Terro baits not work, in the house, garage, or outside....but I tend to offer them lots of it...all they can eat buffet-style.
    Last edited by mlsthmpsn; 08-08-2013 at 03:23 PM.

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