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    Default My Ant Proof Hive Stand Actually Works!

    After losing two nucs to ants I came up with a solution for those darn Argentine ants that raid hives here in California. I made "T's" with 1" galvanized pipe. At the bottom of the T joint, I slipped on 2" white PVC end caps after drilling holes in them. I hung them upside down on the pipe and filled them with high temp bearing grease that doesn't run in the heat. The rain won't be a factor because they're upside down under hives.

    I pounded the pipe legs into the ground 2 feet deep. I secured the 2x6 PT frame to the T joints with plumbing strap. The cross members are resting on the T joints to better handle hive weight. NO MORE ANT PROBLEMS! (Sorry about the finger in the first pic)
    Ant Proof Hive Stand 1.jpgAnt Proof Hive Stand 2.jpgAnt Proof Hive Stand 3.jpgAnt Proof Hive Stand 4.jpgAnt Proof Hive Stand 5.jpgAnt Proof Hive Stand Grease.jpg
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    Default Re: My Ant Proof Hive Stand Actually Works!

    Nice! I like the idea.

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    Default Re: My Ant Proof Hive Stand Actually Works!

    Looks good. How many hives can it hold?
    Dan

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    Default Re: My Ant Proof Hive Stand Actually Works!

    I usually have 5 (8 frames) but you could do 6. I think 4 or 5 10 frames would fit nicely.
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    Default Re: My Ant Proof Hive Stand Actually Works!

    nice!

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    Default Re: My Ant Proof Hive Stand Actually Works!

    Hi Charlie, We are going to build this but I can't seem to find the actual directions. I thought I had seen a step by step article, but "someone" lost it! Can you tell me how wide the stand is? Thanx so much! Pam

    I pounded the pipe legs into the ground 2 feet deep. I secured the 2x6 PT frame to the T joints with plumbing strap. The cross members are resting on the T joints to better handle hive weight. NO MORE ANT PROBLEMS! (Sorry about the finger in the first pic)
    Ant Proof Hive Stand 1.jpgAnt Proof Hive Stand 2.jpgAnt Proof Hive Stand 3.jpgAnt Proof Hive Stand 4.jpgAnt Proof Hive Stand 5.jpgAnt Proof Hive Stand Grease.jpg[/QUOTE]

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    Default Re: My Ant Proof Hive Stand Actually Works!

    Pam,

    The total width of the stand is 15". I cut the cross members that rest on the T-joints 12" long. When you account for the front and rear joist, (each being 1 1/2" thick) screwed to the cross members, you get a total width of 15".

    You can make the stand wider but then you'll have to use longer cross member pipe.

    Here's a parts list:

    1" threaded galvanized pipe

    (2) pieces 36" long (legs)
    (4) pieces 8" to 10" long (cross members)
    (2) T-joints
    (4) end caps for cross members

    (2) white 2" PVC end caps

    Lumber (Can be pressure treated or any type of wood painted)

    (2) 2x6x8
    (4) 2x6x1 (cross members)

    Hardware

    3" deck screws
    1" galvanized screws (to screw plumbing strap to crossmembers)
    Metal plumbing strap

    High temperature brake grease.

    Drill a 1 1/4" hole dead center of the 2" PVC end caps. Thread those on upside down on one end of the legs. Pound the other end into the ground and assemble the parts as shown in the photographs. Use a putty knife to fill in the grease into the upside down PVC cups.
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    Darn you CharlieB! I like it and now have to build one for 5 10 frame hives. My dimensions will be slightly different due to my Country Rubes SBBs. But realistically very clever and it will take care of my red ant problem here in Houston.
    Mike
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    Mmmooretx,

    I got so frustrated with these little black Argentine ants that are relentless with nucs and starter hives.
    Everytime I do splits into nucs here they come. I've tried everything and nothing worked except this.

    I just built my third stand for my yard in Saratoga. It's better to use 1 1/2" pipe for more than 5 hives on one stand. A little more stable.

    Good luck!
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    I thought I had beat my ants into submission (bait stations) but now that is cooler I see I have sugar ants all over and going into my nucs in force. I wonder if I could have just put that grease on my hive stand blocks?
    “Why do we fall, sir? So that we might learn to pick ourselves up” Alfred Pennyworth Batman Begins (2005)

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    Very cool Charlie! I'm with you, those AA's suck! Strong hives, no problem, small hives just get taken over by them. I'm going to steal your idea for nuc stands in the spring. Now if only the winter weather would get here to put the yellow jackets into hibernation, seen the girls fending off a few yesterday and I killed probably a dozen or so with the hive tool while inspecting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by minz View Post
    I wonder if I could have just put that grease on my hive stand blocks?
    You could but debrie will collect eventually and the ants will walk right over it. The upside down cups keep rain and debrie out only requiring a little touch up several times a year.
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    Default Re: My Ant Proof Hive Stand Actually Works!

    NIce! I think I'll just try using the grease by coating the legs of my stand.

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    Thanks BG, yeah I stand and wait until there are about 20 yellow jackets balling a dead bee in front of the hives and then I torch them. It's very theraputic!
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    Default Re: My Ant Proof Hive Stand Actually Works!

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie B View Post
    Mmmooretx,

    I got so frustrated with these little black Argentine ants that are relentless with nucs and starter hives.
    Everytime I do splits into nucs here they come. I've tried everything and nothing worked except this.

    I just built my third stand for my yard in Saratoga. It's better to use 1 1/2" pipe for more than 5 hives on one stand. A little more stable.

    Good luck!
    Thanks for the additional insight on the pipe size. Technically I am limited to 5 hives and now have 3, 2 more to be added in April. I would like to build one 10' long so I could do some NUCs due to swarms etc. I may build two shorter ones, all in my back yard, but am wrestling with the weather and temporary move of 3 double deep hives while doing the install of the pipe base/frame base. Time to measure and plan. Who knows we may get another warm day to execute/implement!
    Thanks again for a great idea.
    Mike
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    Charlie B,
    Just one question, sorry it is the Engineer in me. If you put the cross brace on top of the pipe T and the longitudinal runners sit on the pipe doesn't the rack rock on a high center?

    Thanks for your time.
    Mike
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    Default Re: My Ant Proof Hive Stand Actually Works!

    Wow, you ARE an engineer aren't you. I forgot to mention in my post that I dado a 1/4" slot in the bottom of the cross member to accomidate the top of the T-joint so it has direct contact, no rocking. It's hard to see but the dado pic is the third pic from the left.
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    Default Re: My Ant Proof Hive Stand Actually Works!

    Great, now that makes a lot more sense to me. I would much rather be stable. ;-)

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    Default Re: My Ant Proof Hive Stand Actually Works!

    Just an update on my hive original stand. I checked it today. Grease is still soft and doing it's job since May with no touch ups. Many ants have tried but as you can see, the bodies are stuck forever in their grease tomb.
    No more ants1.jpgNo more ants2.jpgNoo more ants4.jpg
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    Default Re: My Ant Proof Hive Stand Actually Works!

    Here's a modified version that you can attach to an existing hive stand using 1x4 pine and wood dowels. I use this for lightweight nucs and starter hives. For regular hives you can replace the 1x4 pine with 2x6's on top.

    Modified ant prood4.jpgModifird ant proof5.jpgModified ant proof3.jpgModified ant proof2.jpgModified ant proof1.jpg
    Last edited by Charlie B; 11-03-2012 at 10:47 AM.
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