48 Hour Queen Cells

[timgoodin]

I have read a couple of articles recently about using 48 hour started cells to distribute gene pool material from a good queen or breeder queen to the masses. I'm not sure I understand the advantages of this other than the superior genetics. Are their other advantages (ie ease of transport, better percent acceptance)?? Would not sealed queen cells work better? I must be missing something here. Anyone with ideas on this please share. Thanks

Tim

[JD's Bees]

Not sure I understand.
Are the 48 hour cells being shipped, being used by the cell producer in nucs or used in production hives to simulate a supercedure?
Can you provide links to the articles?

[Adrian Quiney WI]

Tim, I read that they were not as vulnerable during transport, and the producer has put less work in them so they should be cheaper. I don't recall seeing them offered for sale.

[BeeCurious]

My understanding is that the 48 hour q-cells are less vulnerable to being harmed at that age. I believe that Dr. John Kefuss in Toulouse Fr was one of the first to ship 48 hour cells. There have been a few articles covering his work/breeding in recent years.

[timgoodin]

Bee Culture had an article in the June issue from Dr. Larry Conner discussing it breifly.

I also saw this on the Michigan Beekeeping site. These are the new way to get bee stock into your hive from breeder queens. You carry the cells home in a styrofoam cup and install them into a queenless nuc you have made up. The colony completes the construction of the cell.

Tim

[seamuswildflower]

to be clear on this are these open queen cells 48 hours from the time they are laid as eggs?

[preciousbeesfarm]

In June 2011, I took Dr. Conner's Queen Rearing class and the resulting cells were sent home with us in styrofoam cups, it worked out quite well, I still have both Queens, and have grafted off of them.

[deejaycee]

to be clear on this are these open queen cells 48 hours from the time they are laid as eggs?

No (takes three days for an egg to hatch), 48 hours from grafting probably.

I have a friend who uses this. Many of the apiaries he has to get into are so rugged he hasn't got a chance of getting 9 day cells into intact, and you can't tell what condition the young queen is in inside the cell once you get there.

He carries in two day cells in a nuc with nurse bees and loves it - he can see the larvae is well inside the cell before he puts it into the hive. Occassionally a larvae is jarred out of the cell by the rough tracks, , but he can see that and just chooses the next cell.

Has great acceptance and success.

[matt1954]

Dr. Conner teaches the 48 hour queen cell procedure in his workshop which my wife and I took in May. I did not have any luck with them nor do I use them in my operation. Dr. Conner put on a teriffic course that I highly recommend to anyone if he comes to your area.

[sqkcrk]

He's part of the Bee Wellness Workshops being put on here in NY this year. Along w/ Alphonse Avitable, Dianna Sommertero, and Ontario Provincia Apiarist Retired Doug McRory.

[Keth Comollo]

Don't they mean 48 hours after they are capped? I can't imagine shipping uncapped queen cells but I have been wrong before! Just ask my girlfriend!

[jim lyon]

I can't say I fully understand the advantages of a 2 day old cell over using ripe queen cells. I have two concerns, one is the incubation temps and handling while transporting immature larvae. Perhaps these styrofoam cups contain bees and a method to keep the very soft wax from being crushed? My other main concern is that there is always some attrition as the cells mature I would estimate an average of 5 to 10 % with an occasional instance of even more serious problems. You can have nearly 100% confidence in the health of a 10 day old ripe cell once you learn how to recognize abnormalities.

[FindlayBee]

This may help a bit: http://wcoba.com/content/ohio-queen-initiative

[jim lyon]

OK I can accept that. They are just making it easier for researchers to transfer their genetics by moving the "heavy lifting" of queen cell production away from the researchers to the beekeeper. Any additional losses due to handling would just be part of the cost of doing business so to speak.

[preciousbeesfarm]

I, in my humble opinion, think the 48 hr cell would work out great. They should have a good aceptance rate in a small nuc. I am going to try it before the end of the mating season here. , what's a guy got to lose? Paul

[pine_ridge_farms]

48 hour queen cells are cells that were grafted 48 hours ago. I transport mine when going to other yards in a piece of styrofoam with holes drilled in it for the cups to sit in and chuncks of styofoam are the same size as a small bucket where multiple layers of foam and queen cells can be stacked in. Another advantage to using 48 hour queen cells is spreading out the work of the cell builder. When planting 48 hour cells in a 5 frame nuc that nuc only has to feed that one queen cell. I see bigger cells doing this with lots of surplus royal jelly. I don't always plant 48 hour cells but when I'm in a pinch for more queen cells in the queenless mating nucs I will and it works out really well.

[sqkcrk]

I don't always plant 48 hour cells but when I'm in a pinch for more queen cells in the queenless mating nucs I will and it works out really well.

"I don't always plant 48 hour cells, but when" I do, I drink Dos Equis. Sorry, couldn't help my self. I watch too much TV.

[pine_ridge_farms]

That's a good one Mark!

[BWrangler]

Hi Guys

I've experimented with unsealed queen cells and found them to be much more robust than sealed queen cells. Once harvested they:

- didn't require any temperature control.
- were practically immune to transportation shock.
- needed no attendants.
- were readily accepted.

I suspect they could successfully and easily be shipped almost anywhere.

You can read more about my tests at:

http://beenaturalguy.com/legacy-quee...day-old-cells/

One test not mention consisted of letting 24 hour old queen cells set unattended, in a cool place, for two days. The bees readily accepted these cells and raised normal, healthy queens from them. That's how robust they are.

Regards - Dennis

[jim lyon]

Thats some really interesting info Dennis. How long were the two day cells left unattended by bees and at what temps? I do continue to have some concerns about transferring what I consider to be the problem of normal attrition in the cell maturation process into a nuc. It isnt unusual for us to see 5 to 10% of our cells that appear healthy at the 48 hour stage but by day 10 have been either chewed out by the bees or are showing signs of being unhealthy.