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    Default Moving down into the next box

    My bees have filled up the top box with comb, in fact, they filled the top box quite quickly. However, they don't seem to be going down into the bottom box - I have been expecting them to start drawing comb in the bottom box for a couple of weeks. the hive is real active, and seems to be doing well.

    Any ideas? Do I just sit back and wait - or should I do anything to encourage them to build comb in the lower box.

    Thanks!

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    Default Re: Moving down into the next box

    Any chance you could shift a small piece of comb into the lower box? If there is no flow on feeding would help, but of something is flowering forego the feeding.

    Edit- I am having a similar issue. Moving a comb down is your best bet to get them to move down. As I am in the main flow right now I supered with a seed comb above.

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    Default Re: Moving down into the next box

    Why not just reverse the boxes. This works fine for thousands of beekeepers and millions of hives.

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    Default Re: Moving down into the next box

    if you have a screened bottom board its to light for them down there. swap boxs and let them move up, or split them and put some frames in each box.

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    Default Re: Moving down into the next box

    Remember that we are in the warre forum. Nadiring is a fundamental concept of warre hives. I am not against supering a warre but you have to decide how you want to keep bees. Typically in warre hives comb isn't easily movable. So simply splitting the comb between two boxes may not be an easy task. You could simply put a box on top, but again you have to decide how you want to manage your warres. If you put an empty box on top you will likely lose any chance at removing combs. If you seed that box with a comb, the bees will be more likely to draw comb as you desire them to. If you want to stay closer to the warre philosophy you would do nothing. If you want to do something, but stay as close to warre principals as you can then I would put some comb into the lower box.

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    Default Re: Moving down into the next box

    Okay - I wimped out.... This is my first ever hive. I went out and started taking the hive apart - then added a box to the top because I wasn't sure I wanted to disassemble the entire hive by myself and put another box on the bottom. i was hesitant to take the main box off and set it on the ground with all of the bees zooming around!

    I do wonder if the light coming in from the screen bottom is what is keeping them from moving to the lower box. I think I might go out this weekend and put some poster board underneath the screen.

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    Default Re: Moving down into the next box

    Hey GMCHARLIE I just caught your comment on the light from the screened bottom. I had not heard that before. Can you expand on it any?

    Quote Originally Posted by gmcharlie View Post
    if you have a screened bottom board its to light for them down there. swap boxs and let them move up, or split them and put some frames in each box.

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    Default Re: Moving down into the next box

    Quote Originally Posted by Alleybeez View Post
    Hey GMCHARLIE I just caught your comment on the light from the screened bottom. I had not heard that before. Can you expand on it any?

    Sorry for the delay... Yes it seems quite often teh queens will not lay near the sreened bottom boards. I have heard its the light, and also references to the inability to control humidity and temp near the screen. no matter the reason, I am 100% sure its true. I cannot keep a queen in the bottom box with a SBB. if I try excluders the hive dwindles..... Now others will argue, so I am just reporting on what I see in my area in IL

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    Default Re: Moving down into the next box

    Quote Originally Posted by gmcharlie View Post
    if you have a screened bottom board its to light for them down there. swap boxs and let them move up, or split them and put some frames in each box.
    I'm having a similar issue - do you think adding a third box to darken the second one would help? Or maybe lemongrass oil? Or some combination of both?
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    Default Re: Moving down into the next box

    Or maybe a bottom board/slatted rack?

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    Default Re: Moving down into the next box

    Quote Originally Posted by adam@azapiaries View Post
    Why not just reverse the boxes. This works fine for thousands of beekeepers and millions of hives.
    With frames, maybe. With a Warré, putting empties on top risks construction of Tower of Babel comb (built upward from top bars) -- you don't want to go there!

    Try priming subinserted boxes' topbars with beeswax strips (see youtube) or known-disease free comb.

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    Default Re: Moving down into the next box

    I have melted comb down and painted it on triangle shaped top bars before I nadir the box. The bees moved down quickly. This was after I had another nadir box in which I had been waiting for them to start building comb, but they wouldn't. I made a box to fit on top of a Warre box, but it was sized for langstroth frames, which is what the bees come on. They wouldn't move down into the Warre box until I painted the top bars of the 2nd box I nadired with beeswax. I put that one on top of the original Warre box and they finally moved down. I was able to get some wax on the first box's top bars but I wasn't able to check it as fall came on quickly. I have seen the bees a few times this winter and they seem to be doing well. This is my first beehive. Maybe you could try that method.

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    Default Re: Moving down into the next box

    So you would melt comb down to pain it on top bars? Why not just put the comb in the bottom box?
    Not Michael Bush. My name is Dan. Sorry for the confusion.

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    Default Re: Moving down into the next box

    The wax wasn't in comb form. it was crushed.

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    Default Re: Moving down into the next box

    Have you tried using some LGO rubbed inside the box? Works great in bait hives for catching swarms. Just a thought.
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    Default Re: Moving down into the next box

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Danz View Post
    The wax wasn't in comb form. it was crushed.
    Ok that makes sense. I extracted my combs this year and all held up fine. So I will be using drawn comb this year, which is a huge benefit. I will not have any false floor problems with drawn comb available.
    Not Michael Bush. My name is Dan. Sorry for the confusion.

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    Default Re: Moving down into the next box

    Quote Originally Posted by bnm1000 View Post
    ... don't seem to be going down into the bottom box
    Need nectar flow or feeding.
    Use bait combs or bait foundation.
    Super instead of nadiring if theyinsist on staying in one box.

    Don't wait, you need several boxes of comb for proper wintering.















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    Default Re: Moving down into the next box

    I love concept but I worry that the stamped foundation is drone sized. I think I'm going to tire it but put the ladder on the edges where the bees would normally do the drone cells.

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